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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 14:23:18 GMT -5
My new craiglist girl makes a lot of noise when she eats airish, cagh cagh sounds---wonder if that is is because of head shape. she is deaf.
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Post by Heather on Jan 13, 2016 14:28:04 GMT -5
It's possible. Boris was a waardy who's head shape and structure was so bad that he could not properly close his mouth and if he was scruffed would cut off his airway and he would pass out (basically suffocate). His is an extreme example but an example of just what is allowed to get through from Marshals Farms, and yes he was deaf ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 14:54:53 GMT -5
Heather Vinnie is whippet type, Jimmy is much bigger and broader. I'm considering keeping a kit from Willow for showing and at shows they prefer the more well built robust ferrets, I'm also wanting to get rare eye colours like green and light blue but don't know how to get that, Willow has dark blue eyes. That is bad about the Marshall ferrets having extreme waardenburg syndrome, how are they allowed to get away with that?
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Post by Heather on Jan 13, 2016 16:18:05 GMT -5
They are a business. They breed thousands of ferrets per year. Most of their clients are labs. Their pet line is entirely separate. They know how to breed properly, they choose not to. Labs have certain criteria that has to be made, there can be no variations. Their lab animals are all sables and none will be waardys as neural crest is a reason to refuse that particular animal (genetic defect) from lab use. Their pet lines do not fall under this and humans being the creatures they are, love things that are different. Watch sometime and see what pic gets the most oo's and ah's ...usually the exotic colours and markings or white animals. Humans are drawn to those types....to create that you have to destroy health. Walk away from the normal and you create a genetic nightmare. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:31:43 GMT -5
Here are the predicted colours and patterns from each hob if bred with Willow. Jimmy Vinnie
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Post by Sherry on Jan 26, 2016 11:15:52 GMT -5
Their pet lines do not fall under this and humans being the creatures they are, love things that are different. Watch sometime and see what pic gets the most oo's and ah's ...usually the exotic colours and markings or white animals. Humans are drawn to those types....to create that you have to destroy health. Walk away from the normal and you create a genetic nightmare. ciao And that is the problem when you start breeding and mixing colours. Health is a HUGE issue when you start playing with silvers, mitts, DEWs, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 12:08:01 GMT -5
Their pet lines do not fall under this and humans being the creatures they are, love things that are different. Watch sometime and see what pic gets the most oo's and ah's ...usually the exotic colours and markings or white animals. Humans are drawn to those types....to create that you have to destroy health. Walk away from the normal and you create a genetic nightmare. ciao And that is the problem when you start breeding and mixing colours. Health is a HUGE issue when you start playing with silvers, mitts, DEWs, etc. That's the only problem with breeding silvers and DEWs, they carry the waardenburg syndrome gene like most of the blaze patterned ferrets as well as the occational wry mouth and other mutations
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Post by Heather on Jan 26, 2016 12:44:48 GMT -5
Call me a coward but my plan is to go back. I do not breed for colour or maybe I do. I breed strictly for the original, the poley and the true albino. The albino, the ones that hunters originally created, not the dilutes. My hope is the ones that breed pure again and again. I want no markings other than the mask on my poleys, the deep golden undercoat, no colour other than the deep red eyes on my 'binos. I fault no one's breeding, we each breed for different purposes. I breed for the original ferret from the land, not man's creation, but of the wee wild creature. What I breed will never be popular, but it will be true to it's genetic heritage. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 12:50:32 GMT -5
Call me a coward but my plan is to go back. I do not breed for colour or maybe I do. I breed strictly for the original, the poley and the true albino. The albino, the ones that hunters originally created, not the dilutes. My hope is the ones that breed pure again and again. I want no markings other than the mask on my poleys, the deep golden undercoat, no colour other than the deep red eyes on my 'binos. I fault no one's breeding, we each breed for different purposes. I breed for the original ferret from the land, not man's creation, but of the wee wild creature. What I breed will never be popular, but it will be true to it's genetic heritage. ciao I don't mind having colours in my litters but when I breed a litter of just albinos then I breed from parents with deep red eyes like you do, I prefer the traditional ruby eyed albinos over the pink eyed albinos
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Post by Sherry on Jan 27, 2016 11:30:39 GMT -5
I would LOVE for people to go back to the original. And mitts ARE an issue as well. Any white spotting can indicate potential health issues. WS is pinpointed not just by face/head shape, but by the white spotting on the face/head/body. That includes mitts and milk toes.
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Post by crazylady on Jan 27, 2016 12:38:48 GMT -5
Hi I don't look for pattern ( I normally breed like to like albino to albino poley to poley ) what I do look for is good bone structure and what I hope will be passed on to the kits in hobs I look for a nice broad skull with nice large eyes and the ears set correctly in the skull the bones should be dense and the muscle solid in jills you are mainly looking at size and skull shape and eyes you also have to ask what length am I hoping to get ? no point mating a bulldog hob to a micro jill unless you are looking for birthing problems and a mix of bulldogs and micros I prefer your larger hob jimmy ( I don't know his intended jill ) simply because he looks more like the original albino just my two pennies worth take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 14:32:07 GMT -5
Hi I don't look for pattern ( I normally breed like to like albino to albino poley to poley ) what I do look for is good bone structure and what I hope will be passed on to the kits in hobs I look for a nice broad skull with nice large eyes and the ears set correctly in the skull the bones should be dense and the muscle solid in jills you are mainly looking at size and skull shape and eyes you also have to ask what length am I hoping to get ? no point mating a bulldog hob to a micro jill unless you are looking for birthing problems and a mix of bulldogs and micros I prefer your larger hob jimmy ( I don't know his intended jill ) simply because he looks more like the original albino just my two pennies worth take care bye for now Bev The jill that I'm having trouble with deciding to breed with him or Vinnie is Willow, she's quite a broad jill herself Her sister Whisper will be bred with the hob that Willow doesn't get bred with, Whisper is silver.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 11:55:31 GMT -5
Jimmy has won the vote so he's being bred with Willow and because the stud I was going to use for Bandit has been stolen from my friend, I'm breeding Bandit with Jimmy too. Vinnie will be bred with Nancy and Whisper so it's a repeat of last year for him.
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