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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 14:11:14 GMT -5
Oh, I was juggling far too much stuff and managed to feed a lot of the legs and such last week. Once my grinder and tupperware is in place I'll have a far better balanced diet for them, normally the amount of heavy bone isn't this high.
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Post by katt on Dec 8, 2013 14:24:54 GMT -5
Why do you need a grinder? It is really best to minimize ground meat IMO. They don't eat ground meat in the wild. Replace one of your bone-in meals with a full meal of heart, keep the beef boneless, and then replace 1-2 more bone heavy meals with boneless. They need 7-9 bone-in meals, not 12. Remember in the wild they also eat large animal carrion, they DO need some boneless meals.  They also still need a full meal of heart; they need the taurine. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 14:40:30 GMT -5
Ground meats offer variety that is hard to achieve without - in particular, making beef and pork 'bone in' meals. I don't fully grasp the whole "less nutrition" argument - that's only valid if you let it oxidize. Erinn's regimen is 80% bone-in meals, 10% muscle meals (I'll take this spot with chicken hearts), and 10% organ meals (half liver, half other - including sweetbreads). I think the part where I'm messing up is fitting the quail in, which brings the numbers up a little higher than I should. Normally I'd have more light bone-ins, too.
Ultimately what we're both trying to achieve is approx 20-25% bone, 65-70% muscle, and 10% hormone secreting organs. Sherry's suggestion of 6 heavy bone meals, 3 light bone meals, and 5 other would still work out to be 21.4% bone (assume heavy = 40%, and light = 20%). I'll post a better menu next week, this week's a little messed up in general because they fasted themselves on an organ meal.
As for arguing on the bone figures, I'm sure that whole prey (e.g. rats, mice, rabbit, fowl) has more than 10-15% bone. That'd be more appropriate to cats than ferrets. And the numbers for *your* style is 21.4% anyway
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Post by Sherry on Dec 8, 2013 14:44:37 GMT -5
Instead of grinding, just give them chunks of beef and pork.
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Post by katt on Dec 8, 2013 14:53:10 GMT -5
First off, I said nothing about the nutrition in ground meats. I also never mentioned percentages. I'm not sure why they would need bones from large animals like beef. Especially when you already have a good variety of bones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 14:53:32 GMT -5
There's no need for feeding bones from weight bearing animals anyway - they don't eat those bones in nature. It's fine to feed the marrow from said bones, but if a ferret feeds from a large animal, it'd be almost entirely muscle meat with some of the edible cartilage. Also, no animal is purely bone, so why feed just carcasses? Feed the animals as they come - leave the meat on them. In the wild MAYBE a hungry ferret would have to survive off the carcass from some other animal's kill, but that's only if they can't find a prey themselves. Yes, mice and small prey have a larger bone to meat ratio than animals like duck, but that's not normally ALL they eat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 15:15:02 GMT -5
EDIT - I think some numbers might be wrong in general so some of my argument's out. Leg quarter's 30% bone, so that's moderate instead of light. Anyways, the reason why your menus are different to Erinn's 80/10/10 rule is the fact that you guys use more heavy meals like wings and necks and backs for a good 2/3 of your bone meals. I did screw up the numbers a little this week though, especially the carcass thing from the way I jointed it.
As for ground meats, what's wrong with that? It's a perfect way of introducing strong tasting organs and proteins they're not fond of. And introduce large prey as bone-ins. The only two arguments that make sense would be a) teeth, which could be remedied with necks and quail - and b) potentially losing vitamins from reacting with the air (which could be remedied by using a foodsaver device to prevent oxidation, or well sealed tupperware)
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Post by Sherry on Dec 8, 2013 21:23:47 GMT -5
Of course it's a good way to introduce strong organs, but you are talking about using it for beef to add yet MORE bone.
Out of curiosity, what is the bone percentage of the quail as you don't appear to have added that in?
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Post by Sherry on Dec 8, 2013 21:26:18 GMT -5
Regardless- you have eight bone heavy meals. Plus 3 light bone meals for a total of 11. And are talking about adding beef bone.
Read the link on hypercalcemia.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 21:36:50 GMT -5
Hello I am a new member but it would be great if I could be changed to a raw feeder. This is my weekly menu Meal Plan for the week. Monday -AM Edible bone Monday- PM Edible bone Tuesday-AM Edible bone Tuesday-PM Muscle meat Wednesday- AM Edible bone and heart Wednesday - PM Muscle meat Thursday- AM Edible bone Thursday- PM Edible bone Friday-AM Edible bone Friday-PM Edible bone Saturday- AM Edible bone Saturday- PM Edible bone and Liver Saturday-PM Other organ and edible bone Sunday- AM Liver and other organ Sunday- PM Edible bone and heart. Thank you for your time. .  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 21:41:41 GMT -5
His meat sources and turkey, chicken, rats, mice, beef, pork.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 21:55:50 GMT -5
Most ill forgot some sorry about all of this Cornish game hen, duck and I am sure that there is more but that's all that can remember.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 14, 2014 11:57:55 GMT -5
It might be easier if you could list which meats are where. From the menu you've written if most of the bone meals were things like wings and necks then it would be WAY too bone heavy. If most are things like drumsticks way too light as most won't eat the entire thing.
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Post by kraesmom on Jan 14, 2014 22:47:31 GMT -5
Monday: 3 meals primal freeze dried turkey or chicken/salmon Tuesday: 2 meals primal frozen turkey, frozen pheasant, 1 meal freeze dried chicken/salmon Basically, every day, they each get about 3oz total over 3 meals of a mixture of freeze dried turkey and freeze dried chicken/salmon and frozen primal turkey and frozen primal pheasant. It depends whether I remembered to thaw something and have time to float a baggie in warm water, or whether I just use freeze dried. All meals have ground organs and bone. The ferts still ignore pieces of chicken that I've prepared for them. :-\ I've got meats thawing in the fridge to process myself, but I'm terrified I'm going to screw them up  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 0:49:34 GMT -5
It might be easier if you could list which meats are where. From the menu you've written if most of the bone meals were things like wings and necks then it would be WAY too bone heavy. If most are things like drumsticks way too light as most won't eat the entire thing. Okay so how many times a week should he get edible bone I don't feel comfortable giving him edible bone any less than 4 times a week(as he only gets a half a chicken neck a day). But if I need to feed less than that it would be okay. |
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