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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:01:52 GMT -5
Im at my wits end at this point and need to complain about it, sorry.
I am getting really frustrated about this Kahlua vs. SoCo thing. I feel like I tried to make her life better and I ruined it. I love them both so much, SoCo is part of the family now and Mojito loves him so much too and so does my fiancee and Tequila wants to play with him so bad but hes afraid of Tequilas... giantness, lol. I guess if I was SoCo's size a chihuahua would seem scarily huge too. He doesnt do any thing to SoCo, just sniffs and licks but SoCo cries whenever he comes around, I have a feeling that will die down as he gets older. I hope this thing with Kahlua does too, I'm scared that even when hes bigger she will hate him and they will do nothing but fight.
I know I have to give the RR a little more time and I know I have other options to try if it doesn't work..
I know he needs to get bigger.
I know I need to let her be dominant to him but even though she's only managed to somewhat traumatize baby- I think she has fully traumatized me.
He is at the point now that if she is miraculously paying attention to something else he will run up to her when he gets really excited from romping around with Mojito, and I get scared so I snap him up off the floor. After the time in the tub where she bit his eye area (ALMOST his eye), after the time she grabbed his cheek faster then a d*mn rattle snake while my fiancee held baby and I held her (so she could sniff him all over) and then after the time where she got ahold of him and it looked like she'd ripped some fur out-- sweeping him up and away from danger has become a gut reaction, like catching (or at least blocking) a ball thats flying toward your face. Or maybe running away from a flaming astroid that has decided to make you its target. I don't know what she would do if he jumped on her first and I am afraid to find out. She has always attacked him when he is doing absolutely nothing, totally unprovoked she'll just run up grab his neck and shake like a terrier when its killing some vermin.
I am just so afraid that if I don't interfere she will kill him or seriously injure him. He is getting big fast but he still doesnt have a fighting chance against her, she is stronger and she is waaaaay faster.
I just wish she could understand that I didn't bring baby home to make her life terrible. I brought him home because she and Mojito seemed so happy with him in the pet store and we're not sure how much longer she will have Mojito, he is older and has some adrenal symptoms. We are going to take him into the vet to check it out but I am afraid to, I am too afraid to find out. I'm afraid to know. I have a lot of adrenal research to do still, I just can not make myself do it because that will make everything more real. I don't know how long he will have before things get bad, maybe they already are. Maybe he is already suffering. I feel so helpless and selfish for not wanting to go but I am so afraid and since my fiancee works so much I know I will have to go a lone. Its kinda far, I dont know how I will be able to make the trip with how upset I get THINKING about making the trip. I mean I'm sure there are people who would be willing to drive me up to the vet but I would feel like I am imposing myself upon their lives when they have never imposed on mine. I am the kind of person who doesnt like getting gifts, who feels awkward when people try to help me out/do me favors, even when I know full well I need it. Its not that I'm proud, I just feel bad. There is no other way to describe it except that i feel bad. Its not that i feel bad that I couldnt do it myself its that I feel bad about imposing... Back to my big lil man, my Momo, my Mobo, my MozerBozer, my Mozers, my Mo I have always agreed with the theory of Quality of life VS. Quantity of life and my fiancee is the same way. He said that if Mojito has Adrenal Dz it would be the kindest to everyone to put him to sleep this way he wouldnt suffer and Kahlua and SoCo wont have to watch him suffer. I know him and I know he also doesnt want to watch him suffer and I know he doesnt want me to watch it either and I know he doesnt want to see me ball everytime I see him. I have never had to put a pet of mine to sleep before. When I think about it I get this sick feeling like it would be murder some how, like even though we would be doing it for his benefit it would some how make us bad people.
...I have always had this stupid issue. I wish I could make it go away, maybe its my ADHD and maybe its just who I am but when I have something scary infront of me that I cant fix with screaming/yelling/cursing I always shove my head in the sand like a coward instead of facing it. If I cant force it to go away, I am too scared to fix it until it dissapears. Like the dentist. My teeth are killing me, I have dental insurance and after using "cant go because of my work schedual." as my excuse for the longest time, someone found a :....: dentist who is open on saturdays. Now I have no excuse but even though I have been given the man's card about four times in the 6 months ive known, i havent gone because its going to hurt... like if it doesnt hurt every day/time I eat. When I had to get my results back on weather or not I had cervicle cancer, it took a year and a half of my mother and fiancee (as well as a few friends) nagging me to go. The ONLY reason they won is because my fiancee threatened to leave if I didn't. He told me later he wouldnt've fallowed through with the threat but he knew it would make me go. The result was negative but I would've known that and saved my self a year and a half of nagging and worrying, had I been less of a coward. I still haven't gone back, however, to find out what is causing all the pain in my pelvic region. Its like I wanna know so I wont be in pain but I am to afraid to face what I might have to go through to get better.... or the fact that there is nothing that can be done.
I'm sorry for taking up so much space and time and complaining so much but I am so frustrated and at a loss, I had to get it all off my chest. I want to do these things, I want to take Mojito to the vet, I want to do the things I need to do for my own health. I have the ability to pay for Mojito and I both to get the health care we need but I just cant. I just cant get up the nerve. How do you guys do it? How do you get up the guts to go to the vet for adrenal testing? Can you send some of that braveness my way please?
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Post by taratee on Mar 17, 2011 14:08:23 GMT -5
they have to get used to one another i mean my ferrets took months to get used to one another and she does need to dominate him so he knows where he is on the totem pole and as long as theres no poop or blood i dont see the problem. maybe its taking longer because you are seperating them and not letting them get it out of their system? and i dont feel like all adrenal ferrets suffer my tia has adrenal and i would never think of putting her to sleep shes frail but she still has a full life plays and eats and tail wags adrenal is something you can work through adrenal isnt quite as horrifying as it sounds its bad but when i look at tia i dont feel like my heart is breaking. you just have to take things one step at a time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -5
Comadre - first thing, take some Rescue Remedy yourself. It really helps me. I also sometimes use Natrol's 5HTP which is a naturally occuring thing - 5-hydroxytryptophan. I do the same things you are doing, obsess, have anxiety, and it helps keep me from doing that so I can remain calm and do what I need to do. Use both if you have to, or try either one interchangeably. I just recently started using RR when necessary and it helps a LOT when I am anxious and can't seem to stop myself from obsessing over and over in my mind. Are you sure you guys have a full grasp on what Adrenal involves? It does not have to be all that suffering that you might think it is. I encourage you to look into a Deslorelin implant, the newest technology. You may have to have it special-ordered but a lot of ferret vets are carrying them now. Several members here will arm you with the knowledge you need, once you have a game plan you won't have to be ill at ease. Lupron is very expensive, and monthly. Deslorelin lasts about 6 months to 12 months, and costs around $125 if the vet makes something off it ($99 for them to order it from Peptech in Australia). I agree with Tara, let them go at it, unless there is poop or blood, THEN separate. I understand how you feel, I would really not want to risk him getting hurt, but that's the only way you'll know whether you can keep him in their business together or not.  Even then he might be able to be in it later when he's better able to defend himself, which is something he should probably learn now too. *hugs* I sympathize over the dental junk, I'm frightened of having anything done to my mouth after a botched impacted wisdom teeth surgery, not to mention the same guy messing up my old retainers, and I have to go get new retainers at a new orthodontist/get my teeth re-straightened some, maybe. RR all the way!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:29:21 GMT -5
I know its taking longer because I am seperating them but like I said, its a gut reaction. I barely think about it now, i just do it. I know that if theres no blood/poop then its okay but I am scared she will pull him away to where I cant reach him/them (like a tunnel) and she will kill him. Or maybe just by biting too hard... or by any means really. If she kills him I dont know how I will get past the feeling that I let it happen and I dont know how I will get past the feeling that my little Kahluza-love killed my S-baby. I understand that all animals are animals and that if she kills him its not her fault and no reason to be mad with her but know myself and I know I will feel ... different. Like shes not the same and like our connection is not the same.
As far as adrenal, I know i sound like an uneducated cry-baby but I really dont all that much on the DZ, I know some basics but I havent really done all my research, I need to and I probably will get started on it this weekend at least but I am terrified of what I'm going to read. I really hope its not as bad as it seems like it'd be/sounds like. My heart already breaks nearly evertime I see him, he is thinner, his fur is thinner/thinning, he has a tendancy to pee on himself and Kahlua in his sleep... it shatters me every single time I see that he and Kahlua are all curled up in their damp hammock, covered in his urine.
I plan on taking things one step at a time. I am by no means saying that I am going to have them put him to sleep the moment they tell me he has adrenal- i dont know when it'd happen, i just know I dont want him to ever suffer. Maybe I am personifying too much, and maybe thats my problem, but if it were me I would be suffering.
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Post by katt on Mar 17, 2011 14:35:57 GMT -5
Ferrets with adrenal disease are usually not suffering, and they can continue to live long, healthy lives with proper treatment. Untreated the disease will progress faster and your baby could have some discomfort form swollen prostate and other swollen glands. I would get him in now for treatment. With treatment adrenal disease can be somewhat controlled. I see absolutely no reason to put him down at all!  Adrenal ferrets can live for quite a long time very happily. Just ask Heather. Especially if he is only in early stages, treatment will help relieve the symptoms and he will not be suffering. Now later on when the disease has progressed, if the gland become cancerous and he starts to get tumors and other complications at that point he might begin to have some discomfort, but if he is just starting to show signs I would say any discomfort he may be in could be relieved with treatment! The ONLY times I have heard of an adrenal ferret "suffering" at all was when the disease has become highly advanced to the point of the cancer starting to take over the gland and spreading into the rest of the body. Then the gland can be surgically removed. As for SoCo and Kahlua fighting, I know it can be scary and stressful for you, but have you tried just letting them interact? NO POOP, NO BLOOD, NO FOUL. That is the Golden Rule when it comes to ferrets. What looksfrighteningly aggressive to us, is often just normal ferret displays of dominance. The more you interfere, the longer it will take for them to sort it out. Kahlua is alpha ferret (it sounds like) and needs to show the baby where his place is in the ferret hierarchy. No matter how long you put it off, there is going to be a fair amount of scuffling until this is sorted out. It is very important for animals to have a hierarchy and to know their place in it. Every time you intervene, you are just extending the time it is going to take for them to sort it out and establish who is who. Now if there is poop or blood THAT is a very different story. Face biting happens. Koda used to drag Kenai around by the face. I hated it, I hated watching it, I hated listening to Kenai whimper and cry. But you know what? I didn't interfere. I let them sort it out and they did so with no injuries (other than perhaps pride haha) and now they are best buds and sleep snuggled up together all of the time.  Koda was an only ferret for a long time, and it was hard, sooo hard when I brought Kenai home. It was stressful on all of us. I can't even describe how much I hated seeing my loving, sweet little Koda-Bear dragging a tiny, crying baby Kenai under the bed and across the room and under cages by his face. I hated seeing Koda feeling insecure and stressed. But I LET THEM WORK IT OUT, and now they could not be happier with each other (except when Koda is being sexually aggressive towards Kenai but that is slowly being taken care of with Lupron). When I see them snuggled together in a little furry two-ferret pile, I know I did the right thing. Had I interfered, it would have taken them longer to sort things out and become friends. Interfering disrupts and slows the process, prolonging and extending the stress, as well as confusing the hierarchy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:37:20 GMT -5
I know its taking longer because I am seperating them but like I said, its a gut reaction. I barely think about it now, i just do it. I know that if theres no blood/poop then its okay but I am scared she will pull him away to where I cant reach him/them (like a tunnel) and she will kill him. Or maybe just by biting too hard... or by any means really. If she kills him I dont know how I will get past the feeling that I let it happen and I dont know how I will get past the feeling that my little Kahluza-love killed my S-baby. I understand that all animals are animals and that if she kills him its not her fault and no reason to be mad with her but know myself and I know I will feel ... different. Like shes not the same and like our connection is not the same. As far as adrenal, I know i sound like an uneducated cry-baby but I really dont all that much on the DZ, I know some basics but I havent really done all my research, I need to and I probably will get started on it this weekend at least but I am terrified of what I'm going to read. I really hope its not as bad as it seems like it'd be/sounds like. My heart already breaks nearly evertime I see him, he is thinner, his fur is thinner/thinning, he has a tendancy to pee on himself and Kahlua in his sleep... it shatters me every single time I see that he and Kahlua are all curled up in their damp hammock, covered in his urine. I plan on taking things one step at a time. I am by no means saying that I am going to have them put him to sleep the moment they tell me he has adrenal- i dont know when it'd happen, i just know I dont want him to ever suffer. Maybe I am personifying too much, and maybe thats my problem, but if it were me I would be suffering. I don't know if this is a bad idea so someone please correct me if I'm wrong but maybe take the implements away where you are afraid she'll drag and kill him and keep him from you - ferret proof it so you can always get at him while they "dook" it out. (Bad pun.) Take away the tunnels, take away what your imagination is using as a death-trap. And keep doing what others have suggested, the RR and things. You don't sound uneducated (there is so much for me to learn on this subject, no one stops learning) but you sound too terrified to give yourself peace of mind by researching it in-depth. I get that...but everything I've been hearing from people who've gotten Deslorelin and from my ferret vet is that they are THRILLED to pieces with it. That their ferrets go back to normal, many people even use it as an adrenal preventative and once my ferret gets a little older I may consider doing that. Stop the symptoms before they happen. Watch HIM, look at HIS quality or life and try not to project your thoughts of how awful he must be feeling onto him, he might be feeling fine and when/if you find out he has adrenal you can be armed with the facts about how to treat it so he has a great quality of life.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:39:14 GMT -5
Comadre - first thing, take some Rescue Remedy yourself. It really helps me. I also sometimes use Natrol's 5HTP which is a naturally occuring thing - 5-hydroxytryptophan. I do the same things you are doing, obsess, have anxiety, and it helps keep me from doing that so I can remain calm and do what I need to do. Use both if you have to, or try either on interchangeably. I just recently started using RR when necessary and it helps a LOT. Are you sure you guys have a full grasp on what Adrenal involves? It does not have to be all that suffering that you might think it is. I encourage you to look into a Deslorelin implant, the newest technology. You may have to have it special-ordered but a lot of ferret vets are carrying them now. Several members here will arm you with the knowledge you need, once you have a game plan you won't have to be ill at ease. Lupron is very expensive, and monthly. Deslorelin lasts about 6 months to 12 months, and costs around $125 if the vet makes something off it ($99 for them to order it from Peptech in Australia). I agree with Tara, let them go at it, unless there is poop or blood, THEN separate. I understand how you feel, I would really not want to risk him getting hurt, but that's the only way you'll know whether you can keep him in their business together or not. *hugs* I sympathize over the dental junk, I'm frightened of having anything done to my mouth after a botched impacted wisdom teeth surgery, not to mention the same guy messing up my old retainers, and I have to go get new retainers at a new orthodontist/get my teeth re-straightened some, maybe. RR all the way! *hugs* thank you.. can people use the pet one, its all ive got, lol. Like I said, I really need to research Adrenal more, I have an idea and I feel like- if it were me I would be suffering. I have heard of Deslorelin but I dont fully understand it, hopefully we will feel more at ease when we learn more. I just needed to blow off steam, I am so mad about being such a coward that I'm afraid to even do the research on it. How sad is that? Like if I research it he is going to automatically get worse or something. I have such an irrational brain. It sounds like its the same kinda technology as like.. the birthcontrol shots in the arm that last six months or w/e.. will it be like a plastic thing in him? what if it gets infected? What if I let them go at it and she breaks his neck? How do you know that wont happen? She reallllly looks like thats what shes shooting for. What if he stops trusting me if I let her hurt him? How long should I let her go for? I mean, I've tried to let her do it but it seems like shes going to go on for ever and never stop. I stress grind annnd it cracked one of my canines, right at the gumline.. then it cracked again annnd now its a hole. I think i have some root canals in my future as well, im not sure. I tend to blow things up in my head.... .....re reading that. I really need some RR oooor maybe like 7-14 Zanex... |
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Post by zoshi on Mar 17, 2011 14:39:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear there's so much trouble going on. All I can do, at least in one case, is encourage you to read up on Adrenal, because it's going to be a lot better when you learn just what it entails. It's so hard sitting there and wondering and thinking up all the worst case scenarios, but once you read up about it and learn things and go and find out what is really happening it'll help you calm down and feel more in control of the situation. The unknown is always tough, but once you learn about it you can make educated decisions and it makes it much easier on you.
I really hope things get better and that SoHo and Kahlua can get along better soon. <3
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Post by maddy on Mar 17, 2011 14:46:16 GMT -5
Just a note. When I brought vanilla bean (a tiny deaf female dew) home, megaweasel (an adult male weighing over 3 lbs at the time) would drag her down like a lion taking down a zebra. He would alligator roll with her and bite her neck and do the kill shake. She would scream and they would do this constantly. I typically left it alone unless he made her poop, surprisingly there was never any blood. If he got too rough, I would do the same he did to her to him. I told him no and pinched his neck and drug a little. This was not rough, but I was reminding him that he's not king of the castle. It took a few hard months, but now they really get along and always sleep together. They still wrestle, but I swear it made vanilla bean the the fastest and most agile ferret I have ever seen. He tries to take her down now, and the few times he actually catches her she escapes in the blink of an eye.
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Post by taratee on Mar 17, 2011 14:47:35 GMT -5
okay i have a few suggestions, maybe get a play pen to introduce the two of them in? take them in the bathroom or somewhere where there isnt places for them to sneak off to.
second suggestion i have is if you have them separated with different blankies, switch their blankies so they can smell each other all the time. if it works to bone ferrets to humans why not ferrets to other ferrets?
others will say dont let them beat each other up but the only way tia got over her blood thirst for my boys was to let her beat them up and in turn get beat up by the boys. maybe he needs to get bigger. what is the size ratio? if hes bigger it doesnt matter how much faster she is. It is really hard to let them dook it out but sometimes its what they need
as for losing fur and weight it is spring so there are chances that that is just seasonal. i dont know that him not being able to hold his bladder is a sign of adrenal maybe some of the other ladies can chime in on this but other than tia looking like she is going to break she runs with the best of them and doesnt seem to have a less full life at all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:47:56 GMT -5
RR is wayyyyy safer than Zanex! I looked at the Pet and the regular one Whole Foods sells and I could see absolutely no difference other than one is labeled "pet" perhaps as a gimmick. Someone tell me if that's right or not, but I didn't notice any diff. I agree with Katt on what she said about adrenal and suffering, there really shouldn't be any and in the worst-case scenario it means cancers spread and surgery, yep. It's also shedding season right now, so unless there's big 'ol bald patches it's possible there's nothing to worry about, at least you won't know till you take him in. I'd check it out if I were worried. The Deslorelin, to my understanding, simply dissolves and they don't remove it when it's time for a new one. It's put in like a microchip through a needle. I doubt very much the injection site would get infected, but you just need to keep the area clean, antibacterial cream, and the vet might even prescribe some antibiotics (not sure). Mustelidmusk has used them. If you want me to send you a couple of weighty Deslorelin info articles that my vet sent me, PM me your e-mail address and I gladly will. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 15:16:31 GMT -5
Ferrets with adrenal disease are usually not suffering, and they can continue to live long, healthy lives with proper treatment. Untreated the disease will progress faster and your baby could have some discomfort form swollen prostate and other swollen glands. I would get him in now for treatment. With treatment adrenal disease can be somewhat controlled. I see absolutely no reason to put him down at all! Adrenal ferrets can live for quite a long time very happily. Just ask Heather. Especially if he is only in early stages, treatment will help relieve the symptoms and he will not be suffering. Now later on when the disease has progressed, if the gland become cancerous and he starts to get tumors and other complications at that point he might begin to have some discomfort, but if he is just starting to show signs I would say any discomfort he may be in could be relieved with treatment! The ONLY times I have heard of an adrenal ferret "suffering" at all was when the disease has become highly advanced to the point of the cancer starting to take over the gland and spreading into the rest of the body. Then the gland can be surgically removed. As for SoCo and Kahlua fighting, I know it can be scary and stressful for you, but have you tried just letting them interact? NO POOP, NO BLOOD, NO FOUL. That is the Golden Rule when it comes to ferrets. What looksfrighteningly aggressive to us, is often just normal ferret displays of dominance. The more you interfere, the longer it will take for them to sort it out. Kahlua is alpha ferret (it sounds like) and needs to show the baby where his place is in the ferret hierarchy. No matter how long you put it off, there is going to be a fair amount of scuffling until this is sorted out. It is very important for animals to have a hierarchy and to know their place in it. Every time you intervene, you are just extending the time it is going to take for them to sort it out and establish who is who. Now if there is poop or blood THAT is a very different story. Face biting happens. Koda used to drag Kenai around by the face. I hated it, I hated watching it, I hated listening to Kenai whimper and cry. But you know what? I didn't interfere. I let them sort it out and they did so with no injuries (other than perhaps pride haha) and now they are best buds and sleep snuggled up together all of the time. Koda was an only ferret for a long time, and it was hard, sooo hard when I brought Kenai home. It was stressful on all of us. I can't even describe how much I hated seeing my loving, sweet little Koda-Bear dragging a tiny, crying baby Kenai under the bed and across the room and under cages by his face. I hated seeing Koda feeling insecure and stressed. But I LET THEM WORK IT OUT, and now they could not be happier with each other (except when Koda is being sexually aggressive towards Kenai but that is slowly being taken care of with Lupron). When I see them snuggled together in a little furry two-ferret pile, I know I did the right thing. Had I interfered, it would have taken them longer to sort things out and become friends. Interfering disrupts and slows the process, prolonging and extending the stress, as well as confusing the hierarchy. I guess I really must have put that a different way. I dont plan on going in and having them put down the MOMENT that they say he has adrenal, just when he seems like hes suffering. If he was going about like Dingo (TTFR's adrenal fert) does, I would see no reason to do so either. It just makes it more.. home. You know when you get your pets they wont last forever but you dont see that... cap on the bottle. Adrenal has now capped Mojito's bottle, of course in the back of my mind I knew it would eventually occur but now that there is an issue I know it is going to happen- does that make sence? I doubt it. I wanted to give them the best life possible and that when they pass they pass with the least amount of discomfort possible. The whole point of quality vs. quanity is to have/give the best/happies/most comfortable life even though it may not be the longest life on record. If he goes into surgury he could die all the same. Puting him through surgury would go against that, it may make me sound horrible to some people but how can I keep him here just so i dont have to be with out him when I know full well that I wouldnt want to go that way... then again, like I said, if it comes to that point and I have to make that choice, even though I would be doing it for his own comfort- i would still feel sick and bitter inside. I have to admit that when I adopted Mojito he looked beautiful but the family seemed.. shifty. Something didnt add up, first they lied about his age and I've always felt that the reason they gave him up was a lie (mother suddenly developed allergies/child no longer interested in him) and now I cant help but wonder if he had begun showing signs last winter to spring change. Is that possible? I got him in june and he was fine till late december-early november. He has always been weird with weight, he will randomly loose a lot and then gain it all back on. I expected him to gain it back on and he didnt. My fiancee kept convincing me that it was in my head/nothing was wrong with him. Now theres no denying that something is wrong.. and I keep going back to how shifty that family felt. I wish I wouldve asked more questions, I was so excited though and he was so rambunctious that I didnt think anything could possibly be wrong.. now, how do I know? I have no clue. I just know that his leaky urine issue feels like its already a big deal. How much damage can it do in that amount of time? I have tried and I want to keep trying but I have so many questions.. I know most of this is complaining/break down but I really had intended to ask the questions. I just kept going and I posted it because I needed to get it off my chest. When she grabs him, it doesnt seem like she'll ever let up, how do you know how long to let it go for? What if she just... doesnt stop until something aweful? And in a completely non-rehtorical question that i havent been able to find an answer to: what happens if she kills him? What happens if he stops trusting me for letting her beat on him? I certainly dont want them to be stressed and I dont want to confuse their hierarchy, but I also dont want anything bad to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 15:25:41 GMT -5
I know its taking longer because I am seperating them but like I said, its a gut reaction. I barely think about it now, i just do it. I know that if theres no blood/poop then its okay but I am scared she will pull him away to where I cant reach him/them (like a tunnel) and she will kill him. Or maybe just by biting too hard... or by any means really. If she kills him I dont know how I will get past the feeling that I let it happen and I dont know how I will get past the feeling that my little Kahluza-love killed my S-baby. I understand that all animals are animals and that if she kills him its not her fault and no reason to be mad with her but know myself and I know I will feel ... different. Like shes not the same and like our connection is not the same. As far as adrenal, I know i sound like an uneducated cry-baby but I really dont all that much on the DZ, I know some basics but I havent really done all my research, I need to and I probably will get started on it this weekend at least but I am terrified of what I'm going to read. I really hope its not as bad as it seems like it'd be/sounds like. My heart already breaks nearly evertime I see him, he is thinner, his fur is thinner/thinning, he has a tendancy to pee on himself and Kahlua in his sleep... it shatters me every single time I see that he and Kahlua are all curled up in their damp hammock, covered in his urine. I plan on taking things one step at a time. I am by no means saying that I am going to have them put him to sleep the moment they tell me he has adrenal- i dont know when it'd happen, i just know I dont want him to ever suffer. Maybe I am personifying too much, and maybe thats my problem, but if it were me I would be suffering. I don't know if this is a bad idea so someone please correct me if I'm wrong but maybe take the implements away where you are afraid she'll drag and kill him and keep him from you - ferret proof it so you can always get at him while they "dook" it out. (Bad pun.) Take away the tunnels, take away what your imagination is using as a death-trap. And keep doing what others have suggested, the RR and things. You don't sound uneducated (there is so much for me to learn on this subject, no one stops learning) but you sound too terrified to give yourself peace of mind by researching it in-depth. I get that...but everything I've been hearing from people who've gotten Deslorelin and from my ferret vet is that they are THRILLED to pieces with it. That their ferrets go back to normal, many people even use it as an adrenal preventative and once my ferret gets a little older I may consider doing that. Stop the symptoms before they happen. Watch HIM, look at HIS quality or life and try not to project your thoughts of how awful he must be feeling onto him, he might be feeling fine and when/if you find out he has adrenal you can be armed with the facts about how to treat it so he has a great quality of life. I don't know if it is a bad idea. I had thought about it but then I thought, well- what if I take it away and then when I put it back she feels it necessary to show him its hers and that just puts me back to square one. I cant take tubes away all together forever. Thank you candice, for understanding and knowing what its like to be where I am. Your right.. I got myself all worked up.... its tough to deal with this on my own, my fiancee works so much and i am really alone so its all I can do- look at him and think about what he must be feeling/going through. I know that I have to get over my childishness so that I can be strong and prepared for him. I think I just needed a little pusing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 15:30:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear there's so much trouble going on. All I can do, at least in one case, is encourage you to read up on Adrenal, because it's going to be a lot better when you learn just what it entails. It's so hard sitting there and wondering and thinking up all the worst case scenarios, but once you read up about it and learn things and go and find out what is really happening it'll help you calm down and feel more in control of the situation. The unknown is always tough, but once you learn about it you can make educated decisions and it makes it much easier on you. I really hope things get better and that SoHo and Kahlua can get along better soon. <3 Thank you I'm going to. Rationally I know all of these things but I guess I just feel overwhelmed and I had a little break down (since there is no one for me to talk to about it), some anxiety induced irrationality. I'm weird. I have these irrational thoughts/feelings and I cant get past them sometimes until I talk about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 15:35:20 GMT -5
Just a note. When I brought vanilla bean (a tiny deaf female dew) home, megaweasel (an adult male weighing over 3 lbs at the time) would drag her down like a lion taking down a zebra. He would alligator roll with her and bite her neck and do the kill shake. She would scream and they would do this constantly. I typically left it alone unless he made her poop, surprisingly there was never any blood. If he got too rough, I would do the same he did to her to him. I told him no and pinched his neck and drug a little. This was not rough, but I was reminding him that he's not king of the castle. It took a few hard months, but now they really get along and always sleep together. They still wrestle, but I swear it made vanilla bean the the fastest and most agile ferret I have ever seen. He tries to take her down now, and the few times he actually catches her she escapes in the blink of an eye. Thank you, I needed to hear that. Those kind of stories give me hope- plus its goot to hear that Kahlua isnt the only one who does the alligator roll thing and the death bites. I have tried to scruff her and drag a little, gently but with a stern 'No' and she just gets right back up like a zombie- it doesnt even phase her and she goes right back to him. She doesnt seem like shell ever stop, how long would megaweasel shake/alligator-roll-with vanilla bean in one sitting? How long is too long? |
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Koda was an only ferret for a long time, and it was hard, sooo hard when I brought Kenai home. It was stressful on all of us. I can't even describe how much I hated seeing my loving, sweet little Koda-Bear dragging a tiny, crying baby Kenai under the bed and across the room and under cages by his face. I hated seeing Koda feeling insecure and stressed. But I LET THEM WORK IT OUT, and now they could not be happier with each other (except when Koda is being sexually aggressive towards Kenai but that is slowly being taken care of with Lupron). When I see them snuggled together in a little furry two-ferret pile, I know I did the right thing. Had I interfered, it would have taken them longer to sort things out and become friends. Interfering disrupts and slows the process, prolonging and extending the stress, as well as confusing the hierarchy. 