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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 17:55:01 GMT -5
Sounds good, feeding him about 30-45 min before meds will definitely help. If his loose poops come back or continue then definitely get some Sucralfate for him, but if they're normal now then I wouldn't worry about it. When first starting raw they'll have some weird and crazy poops, so unless one poop continues/repeats then don't worry. They may have poops that are green, yellow, dark brown, light brown, black, tarry, foamy, loose, etc etc. They're just detoxing and adjusting to the new food. Let us know what their food amounts are and then can decide if pulling kibble is a good idea. Are you feeding little Bullwinkle every 4-6 hr? Make sure you know he is eating something at least that often for his Insu.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 21:22:23 GMT -5
Ok will do if they come back well tonight he ate all most 3 oz alone and they others ate about the same together ...I can't because I live alone he has access to kibbles but I'm not home for the raw food cause I work from 7 -5 every day but I get up early to feed them in the morning and have them out to play and I feed them soon as I'm home from work and I will be starting to feed him the raw again when I take them out the 3rd time be for I goto bed at night
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 14:23:15 GMT -5
We all do the best we can, I know not everyone is able to feed as often as needed which is completely understandable. Do you think you could purchase some Freeze Dried Raw, and switch the kibble with that? It's a healthier option, and you could leave it out while you're not home, and that way they can snack on something healthier. I've ordered FDR for my Insulinoma boy, it'll be coming in the mail this week, I'm leaving it out while I'm gone to be sure he eats. You can also leave soup out, the raw soup recipe is good at room temp for 6-8 hr and ferrets won't eat meat that has gone bad (they know from smell) so no need to worry about them eating anything sour. They're getting the balanced recipe correct? It's very important their food is balanced, imbalances take a few weeks to show up but are dangerous if the balance is not followed. This is the recipe that they can stay on for 2-3 months, after about 2-3 months they should be switched, but if not, you have to start separating their muscle, heart and organ meals. This is the balanced recipe, 8 oz chicken thigh 1 oz chicken heart 1 oz chicken liver 1/2 teaspoon eggshell/bonemeal powder I think it'd be a god idea to start introducing slivers to them now, get some chicken thigh and cut teeny tiny pieces about the size of your fingernail crescent, and add 4-5 of them in their soup. If they eat them well, then add 4-5 more, and keep adding more, then make the slivers a teeny bit bigger, and keep increasing amount of slivers and the size of slivers. Our goal is to get them off of soup and onto to just chunks of meat, then introduce bone-in meats, then successfully have them on the Frankenprey menu. You can also try a new protein now, a good next protein would be Pork, Beef or Turkey, but you can do any protein you want. Start by when you make their next batch of soup, try doing 6 oz chicken and 2 oz of the new protein. If they take to it well, do 4 oz chicken and 4 oz new protein, if they take to that well, you can either do 2 oz chicken and 6 oz new protein or just jump in and do all new protein. It's important to have variety in their menu, the rule is a bare minimum of 3 proteins (such as Beef, Turkey, Chicken) but I always recommend at least 4-5 or more if possible. How is Bullwinkle feeling today?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 0:33:30 GMT -5
Yea that's the diet I been given them and I didn't know the soup mix is good that long out I'm not sure where to order freeze dried Raw out here in maple ridge bc but I will definitely look into it thanks .. and as for chunks my first attempt at the soup had a few tiny chunks and they eat them no problem... Bullwinkle seems to be doing better on this food and with the dose of pred I'm gonna take him in for another check soon just to see if anything I'm doing is helping ...Thanks I'll try new protein in the next soup batch
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 2:33:38 GMT -5
A update I have moved Bullwinkle over to liquid pred he has been spitting the pills out ...but on the other hand they all loven the soup and they are now eating slivers of raw on the soup
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 15:52:14 GMT -5
So sorry I haven't responded- I wrote a reply days ago but I guess it got lost. Anyways, hooray for eating slivers!! Make them bigger with every meal, as big as they will let you, then start decreasing the amount of soup and adding more slivers and less soup, our goal is to get them off of soup.
FDR you can find in some pet stores but a lot of times have to order it, Stella and Chewys is best IMO, but Natures Variety and some others are good as well. As long as the veggie content is no more than 5% then you're good.
Using Liquid Pred is a good choice, it's easier to control dosage this way. Keep up the good work!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 21:33:33 GMT -5
Thanks sorry I haven't been on much with my dad and moving and everything haven't had much time but they are eating all the chunks so far gonna increase size soon ...my boy Bullwinkle seems to be doing a Lil better he moves around more without falling so I hope it's a good sign
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 10:19:04 GMT -5
That is a good sign. That means that his BG is staying more stable. When you see the classic signs of Insulinoma, stumbling/staring into space/sleeping and no play, then you are seeing signs of low blood glucose. The more you know what to look for, the better you can manage his symptoms.
It sounds like they are eating well. That's great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:34:48 GMT -5
That's good How are they doing now? Here's an overview of frankenprey, you can come back to read it or print it out, but this way you can make sure you're getting the right balance when they are off soup. Have you introduced any new proteins? Frankenprey is weekly-
7-9 Bone-in Meals 3-4 Muscle Meals Half Liver & Half Other Organ Half Heart, 1/4 Liver and 1/4 Other Organ 1 Meal of Hearts At least one Red Meat meal A minimum of 3 different proteins
Edible Bone-In Meat is the non-weight bearing bones of the animal the size of a chicken or smaller. Muscle Meat is any meat not containing bone, remember that Heart is a muscle and must be one of the muscle meals. "Other" organ is any organ that secretes, Kidney, Spleen, Pancreas, Brain, Thymus, etc.
Here is a sample menu that you can fill out to help you learn -
Monday AM: Half Heart - 1/4 Liver - 1/4 Other Organ Monday PM: Edible Bone-In Meal
Tuesday AM: Muscle Meal Tuesday PM: Edible Bone-In Meal
Wednesday AM: Muscle Meal Wednesday PM: Edible Bone-In Meal
Thursday AM: Edible Bone-In Thursday PM: Half Liver - Half Other Organ
Friday AM: Edible Bone-In Meal Friday PM: Muscle Meal
Saturday AM: Edible Bone-In Meal Saturday PM: Edible Bone-In
Sunday AM: Muscle Meal Sunday PM: Edible Bone-In Meal
You can find organs, hearts, and meats like quail and such at most any Asian/Hispanic market. In the beginning of the switch we like to do one protein at a time, usually we do chicken because it's generally most easily taken, found and the cheapest meat. If you introduce too many proteins in a short period and your ferret has an allergy, you won't know which protein it is they are allergic to. Food allergies are usually detected from projectile vomiting and diarrhea, but they can be a bit subtle too and can be your ferret chewing, having runny/odd poos, etc, not very common but possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 21:05:38 GMT -5
Yes they will eat both pork and beef so far gonna try turkey next and make it chunky soup so I hope they eat it so far they are cleaning their plates ......Bullwinkle the last two days has been back to his old not moving self and has me all upset again I just dunno what to do I can't stand to see him lay there and star gaze makes me wanna cry if he keeps it up I might have to put him down cause this is no life for him ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 13:36:56 GMT -5
What is Bullwinkle's max dose amount? If he's getting up there in the doses, I would have your Vet prescribe Diazoxide. Usually used as a last ditch effort when Pred dose is getting high and not as effective. It's expensive, and sometimes you have to order it from an online pharmacy, but it's more than worth it. How is he today?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 8:48:36 GMT -5
He is doing better now he seems to have good days and bad days more good then bad right now...Yea I might have too do that thanks but I think it had a lot to do with him spitting the pills out he takes the liquid like a champ all most seems to like it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:05:04 GMT -5
Liquid Pred is much easier to manage, you can try mixed the pred with some salmon oil in the syringe, or even put it in his food (but do not let the others eat it if you put it in his food and he has to eat all the soup, so I don't really recommend it a lot, unless the fert is extra stubborn )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:48:11 GMT -5
Yea he is taken it really well just today though he hasn't wanted to eat much Im not sure why but keeping an eye on it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 16:04:31 GMT -5
Maybe try spoon feeding him or adding some salmon oil to entice him to eat, its very important Insulinomics eat (but you know that already) How are they doing with their switch? How big are the slivers/what's the ratio (ie: 1 oz slivers and 1 oz soup)? You're doing very well with them all
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