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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 18:22:21 GMT -5
Put some blankets in every other corner than the one that has the litter boxes. Ferrets also like a nice big litter box that they can turn around in. Are you using a new litter? Sometimes, they protest over a new litter. Ferrets can be silly. If you are using a small bowl or crock, he may want to move the food to where he has more room. Also, a bowl will block their line of sight. When they stick their head into it, they can't see over it and their natural instinct is to be able to see when they are vulnerable and eating. They also sometimes like to hide their food in their litter. It's a way of protecting it from other animals smelling it and stealing it. You don't need to rinse off the eggshells. Here is a link to litter box boot camp. This can help when they decide to stop using their box. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/108/litter-box-boot-camp
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 19:09:09 GMT -5
It's a big bowl and the litter hasn't changed ..with the meat am I supposed to blend bones and all or take them out ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:17:52 GMT -5
Hmmm...maybe he is just being naughty. Ferrets are super smart, he might even have noticed that you pay attention when he does this. So, he repeats the behavior to have some fun with you.
At the soupie stage, you will cut the meat off of the bones. Eventually, they will begin learning to eat bones. They only can handle the non weight bearing bones of an animal the size of a chicken or smaller. But that comes later on. The soupie stage is first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:56:09 GMT -5
104 is a GREAT number! That is absolutely nothing to worry about. What was his BG before he started Pred? You can call your Vet and have them pull your file and find out. 104 is most definitely not low. At all. If your ferrets BG is above 80-85 and they are showing signs of weakness, something else is going on that's not Insulinoma related. Could be Lymphoma (which Prednisone is the treatment but may need a higher dose) or it could be Adrenal Disease, does your ferret have any hair loss or muscle wasting? Does it have trouble urinating? Any tooth grinding? Any sexual aggression/activity such as humping? Or excessive scratching/skin irritation? Or any stomach masses? I would be very tempted to ask your Vet to order in some Lupron Injections, and do a 3 months trial. This is a hormone injection that you give every 4-6 weeks, if you do it for 3 months and the ferret gets better then Adrenal Disease is your diagnosis. Adrenal Disease is when your ferret has cancerous tumors on their Adrenal Glands that cause their hormones to be all out of whack, you don't want this disease progressing without treatment. Lupron cannot hurt them if they do not have the disease. How old is your ferret? And what is their current diet? Poncesmom is a very good mentor, and I do highly suggest you start yours on some raw, it's your best friend with Insulinoma ferrets, all it can do is help.
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 19:56:13 GMT -5
I think it's more he is too week or out of it to find the litter cause when I have him out he goes for it fine ....ok I'm just Maken my first batch right now I'll post later on how they take to it I hope they like it right away I have had them on baby food for a while...thanks again
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 20:00:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure what his Lvl was I'll call my vet tomorrow when they open and find out but the Dr don't think he will last more then 4 months right now so I'm trying anything to help or figure out what's going on with my Lil guy .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 20:07:19 GMT -5
Has he had bloodwork/urinalysis/x-ray/ultrasounds done? I personally would increase his dose of Prednisone, call your Vet and ask what dose you can increase to (do NOT increase his medicine without speaking to your Vet first though) and if you can I'm curious to know what his BG was before starting Pred. There is no way at all he is acting weak due to a low BG as 104 is simply not low. So definitely something else is going on.
How old is he?
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 21:10:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure how old as he was adopted and his sister and him were really mistreated so my vet couldn't tell from the yellowing on the teeth he thinks they are about 3-4 yrs old ..he has had blood work and urin tests done ....his bg was 84 two weeks ago my paper work says ...I'll call my vet and see if he will talk to me so I can ask him a few of these questions I need awnsers too
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 21:11:50 GMT -5
Be for pred he was bellow 70
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 21:30:12 GMT -5
I live I Canada so you know and my vet just called me after hrs so nice of him but the bg he said was 1.08 he says on the scale they use it's low and I asked about the adrenal disease Shot and he says it could do more harm then good in the sense of it not it the shot will destroy the adrenal tissue but she said I can increase the pred dose to see if it helps any and the raw food is good choice he said as well and so you guys know Bullwinkle likes the soup mixture not a lot but it's a good start I appreciate all your help more then words can explaine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -5
Under 70 is insulinomic numbers, but if his BG is 104 right now (or over 85+) then the weakness likely isn't from Insu.
The Adrenal Shot cannot cause any harm. I have no idea where your Vet is getting that idea from, and I would ask him where he got that info from and if he has any documented proof. But the only thing the Lupron injection can do is help him if he does have Adrenal. If he does not have Adrenal, it won't do anything, no harm. I can promise you that. I'm surprised your Vet is pro-raw, that's wonderful. Not many Vets agree with it. But honestly, I really would do the Lupron trial, because it simply cannot hurt and if he does have Adrenal that can save his life and give him even years longer to live. At this point, if your Vet thinks he only has months left to live, he shouldn't be worried about any risks of the Lupron.
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 15, 2015 22:28:26 GMT -5
My vet wants to wait a Lil bit as in a couple weeks at a higher pred dose and raw food and run tests again to see if there is any change because he says the other tests he has done he's pretty positive iselinoma is the problem cause we're treating his sister who had all the same issues but she is responding and he isn't I know no two ferrets will be the same or respond the same to meds but I will surely keep on this with my vet cause my animals mean the world to me even though I didn't have them from babies when I adopted them they became my family ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 22:38:51 GMT -5
I'm really not sure what a higher dose will do since his BG is at such a good number. A completely healthy ferrets BG will be 85-120 mg/dl. 104 really is a great reading. But I suppose it can't hurt (neither can Lupron). What is his dose now? My boy who has Insulinoma has a BG of 80 and is on Pred and a raw diet and has great energy. At 104 your fuzzers energy should be normal. And at 3-4 yrs old age really isn't a concern as elderly is 6-7+ yrs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 22:52:47 GMT -5
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Post by bandit and cinnamon on Feb 16, 2015 9:48:00 GMT -5
According to my vet 1.08 not (108) is low on their scale I don't know what it would be converted to an American meter if they are different or not. he has been really good with them and he is a good vet unlike many so I couldn't just go get another opinion this was my 3 vet I tried ..I'm trying to do the best I can
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