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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 10:17:27 GMT -5
I looked at Zuko's anus this morning, it's kind of red and raw, he's scooting a bit too. Most likely from the diarrhea. I think for the next batch of soup I will not use heavy cream but will get kitten milk, the stuff that's lower in lactose and has added taurine. It might be the cream that's causing him issues *
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Post by Sherry on Aug 29, 2013 11:31:05 GMT -5
That could be. Mine tolerate it well. Some don't though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 16:08:31 GMT -5
Is it possible to give them too much kidney or heart or liver? Liver his high in vitamin A I think? I thought I heard somewhere that if a human eats a rabbit liver or something they could get poisoning from too much of that.
I picked up chicken heart today and at the same time they had pig tongue and kidney so I got a few of those. I had a chicken back thawed out so I did up 4 oz mixed packs of cut up pig kidney, pig tongue, and chicken back. Waiting for the hearts to thaw out.
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Post by Sherry on Aug 29, 2013 17:25:13 GMT -5
Liver and kidney, yes. Vit A and D toxicity are certainly possible. However with Vit A at least they'd have awfully liquid black stools before that happened. Hearts, only if they displace too much else in the menu. Excess taurine will simply be excreted so isn't a concern. And what you are thinking of is polar bear liver. It's toxic. Although quite frankly I don't know that I'd feed any carnivore liver.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 23:25:37 GMT -5
So the 24 hours without kibble hmm not sure how well that went. I fed Zuko a bunch of his mush in the morning like 8 teaspoons, but he wouldn't eat any at night, so I fed him the next morning he had to be reminded that he liked it. It was a bit thicker and he refused it until I added a bit of ferretone again then he ate 4 teaspoons.
I had put out about 2 ounces of wing tips for Aang and Sokka on the Thursday and as of now there is still one left. They don't seem to like those very much. I do find them kind of dry to the touch, maybe they got freezer burn and lost their meatiness? Also Aang was gagging today... I'm worried that maybe the pieces I am giving them are too hard for them to break down so they are swallowing bigger pieces of bone? Or maybe I'm completely wrong and it's something else bothering him.
Is there an easy way for me to isolate who eats what food? I want to be able to keep Aang and Sokka way from the kibble because it's Aang that has the worst problems with gagging/throwing up.
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Post by Sherry on Aug 31, 2013 8:53:24 GMT -5
He actually ate about an ounce and a half to two ounces, so not too bad for a first day. With the others try adding in some meaty chunks in a size they are used to and see how they do. With Aang and Sokka just make sure to put enough out for them to share over a 12 hr period. At the end of that 12 hrs remove what's there and put in fresh. If they've left a lot put less in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 9:40:31 GMT -5
Zuko still hesitates at first eating but most of the time it might be because I have to wake him up to eat! I had to force it on him this morning, then he licked off the spoon, then I set the spoon down and he ate out of the dish. At least 3 spoonfuls. Aang and Sokka got their first pig tongue and a bit of liver this morning and I was surprised that they went right for it! It was well defrosted and pretty bloody so I think they liked that. They love blood and they'll even lick drops of it out of the bag Maybe familiar texture from when I gave them beef chunks. So I have started only putting half as much kibble as usual and only in the mornings (my schedule has changed yet again) after they have been fed their mush/meat. Will have to post weights and stuff tonight/tomorrow.
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Post by Sherry on Sept 1, 2013 18:13:58 GMT -5
I think you can safely remove the kibble entirely now They all seem to be doing fairly well, including Zuko!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 20:36:04 GMT -5
Here's my weekly check in. 1. Ferret's name: Aang 2. Ferret's weight: 1.26kg 3. Eating around 2-3 oz per day plus some kibble, plus some soup 4. nothing to report 5. Activity levels: good
1. Ferret's name: Sokka 2. Ferret's weight: 1.09kg 3. Eating around 2-3 oz per day plus kibble, really likes the soup too 4. good 5. Activity levels: good.
1. Ferret's name: Zuko 2. Ferret's weight: 1.12kg 3. Eating around 4-9 spoonfuls of the mix per day in one or two meals, then half the normal amount of kibble the rest of the time 4. Soft stools, but not always seedy 5. Activity levels: good
Week's menu in review...
Tuesday the 27th- soup, kibble Wednesday - 5tsp pm soup, kibble in the morning only, 4 oz wing/beef Thursday - 9tsp soup am, no kibble, 2 oz wing tips Friday- 4tsp soup am,kibble, wing tips not eaten Saturday- 1/2 kibble, wing tips mostly eaten,4tsp soup pm Sunday - 4tsp soup am, 4 oz tongue/liver, 1/2 kibble,4-5 tsp PM Monday - 4 oz pig tongue/liver,chicken back, 4tsp soup am, normal amount of kibble put in as out of soup
I noticed Aang and Zuko both had kind of reddish bums after pooping that stuck out a bit, but they went back to normal when they were done. I'm done of the soup mix that had cream so I have to go to the store to get ingredients for more stuff asap! Will have to make a bigger batch since it's going so quick.
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Post by Sherry on Sept 3, 2013 9:05:38 GMT -5
Alright, we need to move them out of the soup phase now.They really should only get it once a week or so just to keep them used to it. And as mentioned before, remove the kibble. And their bums do tend to poke out a bit at times. As long as they are going back it that's fine So, the plan is- ditch the kibble entirely. Ditch the soup other than once a week and get them going with the meat, bone, heart, organ(organs may have to stay as soup for now)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:52:26 GMT -5
Alright so I made a bigger batch of pig/cow heart/liver,chicken,egg shell, ferretone, cat milk. I put out a bit of kibble the past two days because I didn't have food for them ready. Still have to force Zuko at first but then he will shiver and lick off the spoon. I'm trying to make it thicker but sometimes I have to go back and add some warm water before he will eat again. It's not a runny thin liquid though at least.
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Post by Sherry on Sept 6, 2013 0:34:54 GMT -5
Better be careful of those duck teeth, they can really cause a problem. Especially when combined with kibble.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 19:05:03 GMT -5
Duck teeth? No sure what you mean by that.
Here's my weekly check in. 1. Ferret's name: Aang 2. Ferret's weight: 1.34kg 3. Eating around 2-3 oz per day, plus sometimes 1 tsp soup 4. soft but normalizing 5. Activity levels: good
1. Ferret's name: Sokka 2. Ferret's weight: 1.08kg 3. Eating around 2-3 oz per day 4. soft but normalizing 5. Activity levels: good.
1. Ferret's name: Zuko 2. Ferret's weight: 1.12kg 3. Eating around 4-6 spoonfuls of the mix per day in one or two meals, only putting kibble when I need to cover any missed meals 4. Soft stools, sometimes pretty liquidy but they are smaller 5. Activity levels: good
Week's menu in review...
Tuesday the 3rd-4 oz tongue/liver/chicken mix, 1/2 kibble, some soup given Wednesday - 4 oz tongue/liver/chicken, 1/2 kibble, 2 tablespoons soup for Zuko Thursday - 6 teaspoons soup for Zuko, 4 oz chicken/liver/tongue Friday- 6 teaspoons soup for Zuko, 4 ounces of mix Saturday- 3 teaspoons soup for Zuko in the morning, kibble at night Sunday - 6 teaspoons of soup for Zuko, 4 oz of tongue/liver/chicken back mix Monday - 6 teaspoons of soup for Zuko, 4 oz of tongue/liver/chicken back, 1 large egg scrambled
So they are getting chicken bones and pig liver and tongue each meal, plus occasionally some of Zuko's soup which has the heart/liver/chicken/cat milks/egg shell/ferretone.
So far Zuko has been eating well when I put a drop or two of ferretone on the first spoonfull then he doesn't need extra for the next two. The mixture is thicker than it has been with some visible gooey chunks. I was surprised too that my boyfriend was able to feed him this morning, so far it has only been me spoon feeding him.
PS: To make sure we are on the same page, Aang and Sokka are not 'on soup'. They are only getting a spoonful or two as a treat and to supplement heart and eggshell into their diet. They were only getting kibble as a result of it being out for Zuko. Only Zuko is in the soup phase. As you can see from above I have taken your suggestion and I am not offering kibble anymore. I did put it out Saturday again because I wasn't able to feed them anything else that day.
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Post by Sherry on Sept 9, 2013 19:10:19 GMT -5
I throw something like that in every once in a while to make sure everyone is reading and paying attention
Okay, as mentioned before- completely ditch the kibble. No reason to use it now. Ditch the soup for Aang and Sokka. Start giving them larger pieces for all meals. Start adding slivers into Zuko's. He needs to be completely off the kibble now to progress. If he misses a meal it's not going to hurt him. However at the same time, I need you to be posting in every couple of days, even if there is no change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:31:03 GMT -5
OK no more kibble! Eek. Zuko is still a challenge. He has to be forced to start eating usually but once he does eat he'll eat pretty well like 3-4 spoonfuls. The stuff I've been giving him is pretty think now with some small chunks in it that he has to chew. Will that do? I don't really have anything that I can cut into what I would call slivers.
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