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Post by jenandkids on Mar 14, 2011 17:49:13 GMT -5
Please tell me no one actually does this. ferretlady.org/DISCIP.pdfI believe in aggression-free training with all animals. As in never hitting/hurting them. The most my animals get is a sharp no, timeouts, distraction.
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 17:54:57 GMT -5
Can't get the PDF to open for me. If you are talking about flicking the nose hard, that's what we were taught with our first, Boris. So, we followed what we were taught, until we realized exactly what it was doing to him. Turning him into a major biter, poor boy. It took about another 10 months of PROPER training to earn his trust again I feel so bad about having done that
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Post by tinytippytoes on Mar 14, 2011 18:02:44 GMT -5
And now you can tell people that that is the wrong way!! Your a great fert mom Sherry You only want the best for them. I'd like to flick that ladies nose....HARD!!!
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Post by jenandkids on Mar 14, 2011 18:02:52 GMT -5
Yeah the nose thing. I've never hit/flicked any of my animals and never will. This is an exact quote from that site:
To discipline you ferret, a stern NO! with a tap or flick with your fingers on the nose is usually sufficient.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Mar 14, 2011 18:09:38 GMT -5
i read somewhere never to flick any animal on its nose because you can affect their sense of smell which is their main form of recognition. my ferret doesn't listen to "no." i pick him up and yell NO! and he looks from side to side as if i'm not even there. sometimes he gets this defiant look on his face and he stares right at you like: "Pu-leeze lady!! don't yell at me! don't you know who I am!!? Oh my god! Like, don't you KNOW who I AM?!"
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Post by tinytippytoes on Mar 14, 2011 18:10:28 GMT -5
Didn't we learn a long time ago that violence begets violence. Also that you shouldn't beat up on someone smaller than yourself. Gee a 100 or more pd. person flicking the nose of a 1 pd. fert....grrrr!!
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Post by jenandkids on Mar 14, 2011 18:11:55 GMT -5
Hilarious. My Trouble maker Kyrie is like that all the time. Her nickname is princess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 20:39:26 GMT -5
I was also told to flick Bonkers' nose, but my mom and I never did. We found just saying "no" was normally plenty. We had cats and were told to do the same to them and we did, but never felt right so we just stopped. They also learned "no" pretty well.
I heard that flicking any animal on the nose, or tapping their head or anythign will just make them angry. Makes sense to me. I'd bite someone if they flicked me too! lol
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 21:09:24 GMT -5
Boris was a biter when we got him(wonder why ). The lady we got him from was told to do that, so she passed it on to us. Doing some reading(didn't have a comp at that time), the books I'd picked up all said to do the same thing. I'd run into some "ferret" people(and I'm using that term loosely ), told me to do it even harder if he insisted on biting. By this time, he'd reached the point of lunging at us whenever he saw us, and latching on pretty much bone deep. Then I got a computer, found a decent forum, and found out exactly what it does to them. A ferret has a TON of nerve endings in his/her nose. Even a light tap is very uncomfortable, let alone a "flick" with a nail. And a harder one? Someone once likened it to kicking a man, well- you know where! You want to talk angry about all of the above!!! Not much wonder the poor boy would lunge at us whenever he saw us. To him, people meant pain To this day, I cannot believe he was willing not only to forgive us, but has become so very affectionate. And some wonder why I spoil him so much- it's guilt, pure and simple! And he laps it up ;D
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Post by Heather on Mar 14, 2011 21:23:36 GMT -5
You know that was standard method of discipline when I first got into ferrets. The books, the breeders even some of the rescues mentioned as a method of discipline for a biting ferret. Now, this is where the whole dog training thing came in for me. When I was a child, a naughty dog was smacked with a newspaper. When I first started into the whole training thing myself, you no longer smacked the dog, you hit your hand with the newspaper. By the time I was training dogs on my own the newspaper had be taken to the recycle bin (garbage back then ) and treats were the method of focus (no...clicker training actually came next...yes...I'm that old ). So...I concluded even though my ferreting type mentors at the time told me to flick these naughty little biters, I didn't. I trained them like dogs. Treats, soft touch, even used the clicker. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 0:37:53 GMT -5
Oh man, that article.. WTF?? It says do NOT hit the ferret if it bites you.. instead, bite it back!
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Post by katt on Mar 15, 2011 3:26:31 GMT -5
On page 2 it recommends raisins as a treat.
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Post by Sherry on Mar 15, 2011 9:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by joan on Mar 15, 2011 10:27:34 GMT -5
This is a direct quote: "A last resort type of training that I have found effective is to bite the ferret back right after it has bitten me. I apply pressure with my teeth to the bridge of the offending ferret's nose, just enough to get a sqeak from the ferret. For me, this message tells the ferret that biting is uncomfortable for all concerned and I've only had to do it twice to get the point across." For me, this message tells the ferret that it is being attacked by a predator and is an excellent method to turn the ferret into a frightened, angry serious biter. And I know of at least one breeder who actually does this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 10:30:45 GMT -5
O.o
Who would ever condone that? I'm sorry but that is absolutely ludicrous.
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