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Post by Sherry on Mar 15, 2011 19:30:27 GMT -5
I agree- I couldn't return them either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 19:36:53 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be able to go through with it either.
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Post by joan on Mar 15, 2011 19:43:19 GMT -5
I must say that I'm surprised that the breeder would require you to return your dog. The ones I've known only required a vet's written statement of the condition and the owner had the option of keeping the original dog if he/she wanted to so long as it was neutered.
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Post by Heather on Mar 15, 2011 20:21:24 GMT -5
No, she required the dog. I inquired with a couple of breeders at the time (I was showing at the time, so this was easy) and this was indeed standard policy. Now that I'm not so naive, I think it actually gave one the impression that one could get a replacement dog if a dog turned out to be of poor standard or health. Things like displatia and some structure issues were rarely fatal and the dog often could live with a reasonable life expectancy. It looks good on paper to the buyer but it almost always worked to the benefit of the breeder. A breeder who is faced with type of decision will, with heartache surrender the adult dog for the promise of a puppy because the adult dog does not represent a beneficial representation of the breed. A pet person on the other hand looks to the loss of a companion, a friend and cannot bear the loss and will probably not surrender their companion, the breeder doesn't have to surrender another pup. Consider that a litter of puppies goes mostly to pet homes, the risk is very low of having to replace a dog, unless the pet dog dies from the health issue in question. If you think about it, this contract is very similar to the marshals contract. You're not allowed to keep your ferret, if you wish to claim the one year contract health warranty  . ciao |
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Post by joan on Mar 15, 2011 22:30:38 GMT -5
Apparently the breeders I knew well had higher ethics and cared more about the pups they sold, as well as their owners, than the ones you're referring to. Just out of curiosity, why would those breeders even want the dog back? What would they do with it...stick it in a kennel run and wait for it to die??
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Post by Heather on Mar 16, 2011 0:45:21 GMT -5
My understanding Joan is they're destroyed. The last two dogs that I've got were from more sensitive breeders, ethical perhaps.
ciao
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 8:48:00 GMT -5
Apparently the breeders I knew well had higher ethics and cared more about the pups they sold, as well as their owners, than the ones you're referring to. Just out of curiosity, why would those breeders even want the dog back? What would they do with it...stick it in a kennel run and wait for it to die?? That's a little harsh... The breeder might want their own vet's opinion and be sure the animal is receiving proper care, especially if the owner might decide that treatment is too complicated or expensive and simply have the pet put down themselves. It's easy to think the worst about most breeders, but if they've been in the business of placing pets for awhile, it's all too easy for them to distrust owners, too. Breeders have to make some really tough decisions... that's why I'm not one! |
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Post by joan on Mar 16, 2011 11:10:15 GMT -5
That's a little harsh... The breeder might want their own vet's opinion and be sure the animal is receiving proper care, especially if the owner might decide that treatment is too complicated or expensive and simply have the pet put down themselves. It's easy to think the worst about most breeders, but if they've been in the business of placing pets for awhile, it's all too easy for them to distrust owners, too. Breeders have to make some really tough decisions... that's why I'm not one! I bred and showed Basenjis for nearly 30 years, so had/have many long time breeder friends in other breeds. None of them would have insisted on taking a dog back before replacing one with a serious health condition or late developing congenital defect if the owner wanted to keep it. But then, these are breeders who screened their puppy buyers as carefully as I did and then tracked their pups throughout their lives. If the breeder wanted his/her own vet's opinion, that can almost always be arranged without demanding the dog back in exchange for a replacement. IMO, that's cruel to the dog who has bonded to its family...not to mention the additional heartbreak for the owner. If adequate screening was done prior to the sale of the pup, there should be little or no reason to distrust the owner afterwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 11:54:43 GMT -5
If the breeder wanted his/her own vet's opinion, that can almost always be arranged without demanding the dog back in exchange for a replacement. IMO, that's cruel to the dog who has bonded to its family...not to mention the additional heartbreak for the owner. If adequate screening was done prior to the sale of the pup, there should be little or no reason to distrust the owner afterwards. I totally agree with screening and think it often isn't done thoroughly enough. And I've also seen people considered trustworthy that turned out to be total flakes -- there aren't any guarantees. Obviously you've been in contact with the breeding world much more than I have and I'm sure you're correct about most breeders, but I was basing my thought on an experience I've had with a breeder who did ask for the dog back for the dog's best interests, not to destroy. I'm really not someone who allows people the benefit of the doubt (probably to a fault) but that different scenario was just the first to come to my mind. It's difficult because pets are both a commodity and a family member so sometimes the rules are hard to apply. |
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Post by joan on Mar 16, 2011 12:37:28 GMT -5
I also know of situations where less than desirable owners managed to get through the screening process, but they really are few and far between if the breeder knows what to look for and what questions to ask. AFAIC, any "rules" should be about what's best for the dog...or any pet.
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Post by whipple on Mar 20, 2011 21:45:05 GMT -5
Back to the topic of the panda. I convinced my roomate that a second ferret is a good idea.......  DO you know if he's still there? |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 20, 2011 23:55:33 GMT -5
I think she is. She was there a couple of days ago. It's the Westhills Petland. Call and ask!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 1:01:36 GMT -5
Ohhh more ferret math!! Let us know if you get her!!
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DO you know if he's still there?