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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 8:53:06 GMT -5
I had talked to you before through email (and my friend from England), so you know I'm interested. I want a Sandy Hob. I'm in the market to adopt one. My friends are reputable breeders as well, and are interested in pulling new English lines, we really need the sandy's. I show my ferrets (AFA) regularly, so if he would do well, that would get you some good publicity Especially if he did well enough that I could get him qualified for FOTY. I go to buckeye bash every year, its a really nice show! If your coming all this way, thats the show your going to want to go to since its the biggest. The other shows in fall are nice, but smaller. I'd say if you couldn't make it to buckeye to go to either dook or winter nats.
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Post by lorelei0922 on Jul 11, 2011 13:30:43 GMT -5
Hi hun absolutely not a problem to do a Sandy litter and a Poley litter... as they seem to be the most popular lol You've been vouched for by very reliable people and i'd have No problem with one of my little ones being in your care!
We'll have to do some juggling and get in touch with the airlines .. the Defra rules are changing in January ( for the better i think??) so we should be able to get away without passports on each kit ... though i'm not sure what vaccines will be required before flight.. again still researching!
and yeah i was thinking Buckeye Bash as i actually Know Columbus a little lol and might possibly have a place to stay there as well ... Though i'm not sure if it would be ferret friendly... hmmm... Lots to think on and Lots to sort...
I have had Serious interest from several.. enough to actually start thinking real plans, but thats very different than actually laying down a deposit and paying for a kit lol.... will have to see what we can cobble together! I'm very interested in any input that you have that would make this work in the best possible way!
I'm thinking i need to get my stuff together and put together an actual website... what do you think? what would be the most important things to put on it? Also.. ADV Testing.. its not done routinely here.. cause we dont have it...but i imagine anyone really serious about my kits would be wanting a negative result from my whole gang correct?? or just the kits themselves or what? What does this testing entail? is it something only done through the vet?
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Post by Heather on Jul 11, 2011 14:56:40 GMT -5
I've been doing a lot of research the last little while this article came up that might help. www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=128373It doesn't help me at the moment as Canada is being a bit of a stick about importing ferrets....they consider them wild animals and they're in the fox, skunk, raccoon section (like we need more of those , if so you can have mine ;D) Hopefully, they will see reason and hop on board with this. Talk to Joan, she just imported from the UK and if you're flying with the wee ones there are different rules again (easier ones ) As far as I know, you have to have a distemper and a rabies (this is if your little ones are over a certain age) and your little ones have to be chipped (those rules were in place when I checked in Feb) To go to the shows, you need rabies and ADV testing (I can't remember if distemper was an option or a piece of the maditory paper work or not , logic says it is) There are plenty on board here who can tell you that one I hope that you can make this fly (figuratively and physically ) Maybe, I can actually get my passport in order by the time you get your kits in order ;D and I will see you at the Buckeye Bash. It would be really fun to be able to snuggle some baby fuzz ;D ;D ciao
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Post by lorelei0922 on Jul 11, 2011 15:32:46 GMT -5
well i've been doing some research of my own and the CDC and Customs state...
According to US Customs (cbp.com): There are no Centers for Disease Control or U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service restrictions or requirements for rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters and ferrets, brought in as pets, as long as they appear to be in good health, they may enter the U.S. If they do not appear to be in good health, they will be subject to quarantine at the owner's expense.
This would mean no testing and no vaccines required to enter the US... Now... as i want to do it as Above board as poss.. i'll be looking into ADV testing though i have no idea what this entails, just went to the vet today but forgot to ask if they can even do the test!!! (i thought i heard there was an at home test available? any info on that would be welcome)
Also.. if i was delivering them to people during the Buckeye Bash i would need to sort the other vaccines required right? is this what other breeders do?
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Post by joclyn on Jul 11, 2011 20:04:50 GMT -5
any ferrets brought into the show hall must be over 16 weeks old AND have current distemper & rabies vaccinations as well as negative adv test results. not sure of policy for bringing ferrets to sell (i think that's a no) although, if you're just dropping off, i think that's allowed - the info is somewhere on the afa site
i was looking at the handouts from the symposium - and the one presentation about adv, iirc, stated that it has been found in england, so, just because it's not commonly found, doesn't meant it's not there. the most nasty thing about adv is that the ferrets can be carriers and shed it all over the place and never get sick from it
i'll post the link to the symposium handouts later - i've got it on my comp at home and i'm still at work...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 21:19:09 GMT -5
Yay, I'm just dieing to have another Sandy hob!! I already have a named picked out for when I get a Sandy hob, he will be named in honor of my heart and soul, Tipsy who I lost in December. I thought I was getting a Sandy hob this year, but nothing has worked out, and I bought him all kinds of stuff! Have his cage waiting with all new bedding and things, but no Sandy's... so you see I really have empty nest syndrome here ;D I have checked airlines, but all of them tell me that it has to be set up on your end. They give me numbers to call the airports in England (but I dont have over seas calling right now). From what I was told on American side, is ferrets should be in good health, they dont really seem to need vaccines to get into USA, but they need rabies to aboard the plane in England. We dont require a passport, and they dont check for adv tests. I still would surely get a vet health certificate for flying. The quick adv tests, really are not good and give lots of false readings. Really, you dont see adv where you are at and I dont even know if you'd be able to do a test there? if not when they get into the states, then we'd test them cause you never know. I understand you cannot test if you have no where to send the samples and the country really dont see cases of the disease. Importing from England for example, adopters just import kit then test the kit when they receive them here in the states. (the kits will go into a quarantine room/area at their home until results would come back; test takes me about a week to come back) To test CEP, we draw a blood sample. To test ELISA, its a saliva sample. Its really easy and simple to do, and dont cost that much money to do it ($10-$15 per test) If you go to the BuckeyeBash show, the ferrets would not be able to enter the hall bc they would need ADV test - has to be from blue cross CEP... or Avecon ELISA, those are only 2 forms accepted. And all ferrets entering show hall must also be vaccinated for rabies with merial. Usually when a breeder brings kits to show, kits that are too young to enter show hall, the breeders leave the kits at the hotel and after the show, people whom are adopting pick the babies up at the hotel.
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Post by joclyn on Jul 11, 2011 22:00:21 GMT -5
here's the link to adv presentation: www.ferretcongress.org/sym2011/phxpdf/ADVinFerrets-Murray.pdfit doesn't specify a time frame of when the adv was around england and the european countries - so, it could be from a long time ago and is no longer an issue. harlan labs no longer does the test for it; no other lab in england or any of the european countries is listed in the file.
that can be done here though, by the new owners - it's not that big a deal as we're used to doing it!
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Post by lorelei0922 on Jul 12, 2011 7:08:19 GMT -5
yeah the last sightings confirmed was quite a few years ago.. however.. that said a lad has just had to have 3 kits put to sleep and the vet said it looked like adv.... Now dont take this as confirmed because no blood test was done and to be frank... vets here know very little about ferrets and could have been talking out his rear end and just digging for some reason to explain the failing of these kits.
I'll give my vet a ring today and ask about the CEP test for ADV and see what they say. If i intend to continue importing kits to the US after this first litter it would be in my best interest to ensure my whole gang are safe and have means to test as a reassurance to new owners abroad dont you think?
I found the same research as you .. that ferrets do not need vaccines etc to enter the US. and will be making some calls today to see exactly what will be needed to get them on the plane here and out safely there.
RE your great big old sandy hob.... you've made me make the decision lol.... you'll have him! Next year at the Buckeye Bash if you can hold out. One of my litters will be a Sandy to Sandy and if i dont have a good chunky hob i will have the owners of the Brothers and Sisters from previous litters on Standby to snatch just the right hob from their litters lol hopefully before weaning so that i can hand rear the little tyke.
Picking them up from the hotel sounds like the right call and we can do that as it seems to be standard practice for other breeders too...
This is all starting to sound like a good deal... i best scope out which poley's to use huh ?
and putting together a website and sorting out exact pricing ... no idea what to charge yet i'm afraid ... i dont want to put people off price wise .. but it is a huge undertaking to actually make this commitment... a bit overwelming lol but i've all summer to get it sorted and get started i guess!
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Post by lorelei0922 on Jul 12, 2011 7:28:17 GMT -5
yeowch.. was just quoted $71.25 US by my vet to do a single ADV test at the local lab... holy cow.. gonna have to scout arround about this one!
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Post by lorelei0922 on Jul 12, 2011 18:27:07 GMT -5
The Avecon people have a distributor in EU and i checked with them.. the home tests are £17 ish.. much more reasonable... am i correct though that this would not be the correct one for ferrets to be ok for the show?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 19:22:52 GMT -5
RE your great big old sandy hob.... you've made me make the decision lol.... you'll have him! Next year at the Buckeye Bash if you can hold out. One of my litters will be a Sandy to Sandy and if i dont have a good chunky hob i will have the owners of the Brothers and Sisters from previous litters on Standby to snatch just the right hob from their litters lol hopefully before weaning so that i can hand rear the little tyke. Picking them up from the hotel sounds like the right call and we can do that as it seems to be standard practice for other breeders too... This is all starting to sound like a good deal... i best scope out which poley's to use huh ? and putting together a website and sorting out exact pricing ... no idea what to charge yet i'm afraid ... i dont want to put people off price wise .. but it is a huge undertaking to actually make this commitment... a bit overwelming lol but i've all summer to get it sorted and get started i guess! Oh yes of course I can hold out thats what I have been doing. I've come across other hobs I really liked, but they were not what I was looking for and I'm willing to wait for what I really want, a Sandy hob Sandy's are my most favorite, especially once I got Tipsy they stole my heart. And I just love the hobs!! There's nothing like a private bred hob, no comparison. They just have the cutest personality, I love how they dook and chuckle like no other, so big and squishy! I would be so ecstatic and happy to get my boy! yes haha give my the biggest fat chunky hob lol You just dont know how spoiled he will be... My Tipsy- I even had BDay parties for him, he got his own christmas stockings, easter basket, you name it he got it, too spoiled tis why he was probably so bratty ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 19:31:15 GMT -5
Yup, when I go to pick up my kits I just meet the breeder at their hotel, after the show. Its easier that way too, not so crazy with the show going on. Much more relaxed to meet the breeder and the new kit, go over adoption contract and the kits information, ect... The Avecon people have a distributor in EU and i checked with them.. the home tests are £17 ish.. much more reasonable... am i correct though that this would not be the correct one for ferrets to be ok for the show? That sounds like a take home test, and those give false readings and AFA wont accept it. The correct one from Avecon you send the actual sample (saliva or blood) to the labs for them to test. I cannot see spending that much money to do a adv test, when we get them we can do it our self for much less! I think if its going to cost you that much, I wouldn't bother paying that much, just make adopters do the test here, as they should be doing anyhow. Any ferret entering my home, I quarantine and ADV test, whether they had it or not, I do my own to make sure of it. Its a standard protocol that I do before they are introduced to my kids, they get re ADV tested, quarantined, and get a vet check from my vet.
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Post by lorelei0922 on Oct 18, 2011 7:44:28 GMT -5
Hi again guys.. i thought i'd bump this up as i'm working on the next step in the process.
I've been looking at other Breeding sites and they are really quite different yet obviously quite the same lol.
I'm looking for kind of a poll here i guess.. whats the best thing you've seen on a ferretry website? Whats the worst one you've seen? Is there anything that would put you OFF completely or something that would draw you in to read more?
On the breeding front.. I've settled on two lovely pairs Sorcha and Ash ( both Sandy.. for WePamperPets lol ) and would expect Sandies and Bino's from that lot and Ceiara and Ceiaran ( Dark Poley Hybrids ... Great temperments on all parents and kits with a bit of spunk and solid genes. Neither has developed a mask as yet and may not, though hybrids often dont show a mask until later in life)
I'm hoping to breed the girls at the same time if they co operate ( hey its happened before lol ) so they can raise the kits together if they are happy to do so.
Look forward to your input and ideas... please... any ideas are welcome lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 20:57:30 GMT -5
For website:
First thing I look for is if they ADV test. Outside of the US, I know thats not common to do, you typically dont hear them having that, so that would be only exception and I'd be fine with it just ADV test it when I get the kit. But if its from the USA I wont buy from them if not.
I want to see that the ferrets are vaccinated.
Next I look to see if they are fed raw/prey diet. Thats important to me.
After I want to see the pedigree if its listed, if not I will inquire with the breeder about the lineage. I dont want to see inbreeding of course.
I also look at their application, I like to see a application thats full of questions, I like to see that they ask for references, do vet checks, and demand proper care of their ferrets (ferrets must be fed certain food, be given vet care, proper housing, play time, ect...).
If you hunt with your ferrets thats cool to know, ferret clean of health issues (adrenal, lymphoma, cardio issues, insulinoma) I love to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 20:58:10 GMT -5
Yay a sandy! they are the best
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