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Post by jerkk on Dec 21, 2016 13:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Dec 21, 2016 19:25:30 GMT -5
bump. (interested to see what others say,too.)
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Post by unclejoe on Dec 21, 2016 22:17:54 GMT -5
how long has this gone on? An od poop for a short tie is no cause for worry, but no more than a day. You can do the blockage protocol for maybe 12-24 hrs, but after that it gets dicey. Good luck
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Post by Heather on Dec 22, 2016 3:07:39 GMT -5
That's a kibble poop....not good. Have you done the full protocol? 1 tbsp of pumpkin one hour later 1 tsp of vaseline wait an hour and repeat? You can do this for about 4 hrs, or until a large orange pumpkin stool occurs. If at any time vomiting occurs, rush to nearest ER vet. If that was a raw fed ferret stool I wouldn't be worried for a couple of days, as this is a kibble fed ferret I would be concerned ciao
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Post by jerkk on Dec 22, 2016 8:46:56 GMT -5
That's a kibble poop....not good. Have you done the full protocol? 1 tbsp of pumpkin one hour later 1 tsp of vaseline wait an hour and repeat? You can do this for about 4 hrs, or until a large orange pumpkin stool occurs. If at any time vomiting occurs, rush to nearest ER vet. If that was a raw fed ferret stool I wouldn't be worried for a couple of days, as this is a kibble fed ferret I would be concerned ciao Last night I checked the litter box and she had a big poop, I'll still be giving her pumpkin though to make 100% certain whatever was wrong is out of her system.
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Post by Sherry on Dec 22, 2016 10:36:40 GMT -5
Good idea. Just to be safe I would do a full 4 hr protocol.
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Post by jerkk on Dec 23, 2016 22:40:53 GMT -5
Good idea. Just to be safe I would do a full 4 hr protocol. She started up again today with her frequent poops, it's almost like she has diarrhea. She's still eating a drinking, I will take her to see the vet when the office is open after holidays (my vets office is closed) but if I have to I can take her to the nearest animal ER... What do you think this might be? I was thinking maybe a blockage but earlier her poops weren't thin, just a bit watery.
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Post by jerkk on Dec 24, 2016 8:26:23 GMT -5
Good news: Her poops are getting bigger, still not as much as I'd like, but is an improvement. She's still eating and drinking and playing, I think I'm just going to let her tummy rest for a bit.
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Post by Sherry on Dec 24, 2016 11:09:44 GMT -5
It sounds like she may have a floating blockage. Those move around, cause issues like you mentioned, move away to allow semi normal stools before causing issues again. Ultimately a floating blockage causes a complete and total one. A common cause of this is hair building up in the stomach. I would honestly ask for a barium xray at the vet, and in the interim get her eating raw egg (at least the yolk) 2-3 times a week for the next week or two in the hopes that the fats binding a bezoar break up.
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Post by jerkk on Dec 28, 2016 9:11:15 GMT -5
It sounds like she may have a floating blockage. Those move around, cause issues like you mentioned, move away to allow semi normal stools before causing issues again. Ultimately a floating blockage causes a complete and total one. A common cause of this is hair building up in the stomach. I would honestly ask for a barium xray at the vet, and in the interim get her eating raw egg (at least the yolk) 2-3 times a week for the next week or two in the hopes that the fats binding a bezoar break up. We are taking her to the vet today. I will keep you guys updated. I'm thinking it could have been a hairball, but she has had a bacterial before so I'm hoping it's nothing serious.
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Post by jerkk on Dec 28, 2016 12:06:34 GMT -5
Hi everyone! She had a bacterial problem/infection in her intestines, she had cdif (can't remember the full bacterial name) so all is good! she'll be put on a six day treatment. I knew something wasn't right!
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Post by Sherry on Dec 30, 2016 11:02:45 GMT -5
I am suprised to hear it is c.diff. That is really unusual for carnivores. Here is a bit on it: Ferrets And C. Difficile There has also been a bit of discussion in ferret circles recently about a particular bacterium that affects both humans and ferrets, which goes by the name of Clostridium difficile. C. difficile is a ubiquitous bacterium that lives in small numbers in the gastrointestinal tract of most mammalian species. It is an innocuous inhabitant when the normal bacterial flora is in appropriate proportion, but may grow unimpeded if the normal “healthy” bacteria are killed off. This most commonly occurs when antibiotics are prescribed either for excessive duration, in excessive doses or both. In large numbers, C. difficile can produce enough toxin to kill off the cells of the intestinal lining, and may even be fatal. In rabbits and guinea pigs, even a single dose of some antibiotics may be enough to start this chain of events, but in carnivores, it is a fairly rare event. It is occasionally seen in humans, especially following surgery or after severe bacterial infections when high doses of antibiotics are required. Clostridiosis, however, is not a transmissible disease, and pops up only when the bacterial flora of almost any mammal is seriously “out of whack.” This year, a lot of talk about C. difficile infection occurred following the identification of C. difficile toxin in the feces of ferrets that died from diarrheal disease. However, as everyone (humans and ferrets, and many other species) has this bacterium normally in the GI tract, very sensitive tests can often pick up levels of toxin far below that which causes problems. The diagnosis of C. difficile in animals involves not only finding the toxin in intestinal contents, but identifying the characteristic lesion it creates in the intestinal wall in autopsy samples. A positive diagnosis is achieved only when both criteria are met. In the cases this year, the toxin was identified, but the lesion was not; the final diagnosis in this series of cases was severe coccidiosis, not clostridiosis. People can make ferrets sick in a number of ways — poor nutrition, poor breeding practices, lack of exercise, and even in some cases, withholding proper veterinary care such as not vaccinating. Transmission of human diseases to our pets, however, falls far down this list. If you can remember to keep your ferrets at arm’s length when you have the sniffles, then you’ve probably covered your bases with your infectious disease. And another: www.wormsandgermsblog.com/files/2008/04/M2-C-diff-Owners1.pdf
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Post by jerkk on Jan 2, 2017 17:38:16 GMT -5
I am suprised to hear it is c.diff. That is really unusual for carnivores. Here is a bit on it: Ferrets And C. Difficile There has also been a bit of discussion in ferret circles recently about a particular bacterium that affects both humans and ferrets, which goes by the name of Clostridium difficile. C. difficile is a ubiquitous bacterium that lives in small numbers in the gastrointestinal tract of most mammalian species. It is an innocuous inhabitant when the normal bacterial flora is in appropriate proportion, but may grow unimpeded if the normal “healthy” bacteria are killed off. This most commonly occurs when antibiotics are prescribed either for excessive duration, in excessive doses or both. In large numbers, C. difficile can produce enough toxin to kill off the cells of the intestinal lining, and may even be fatal. In rabbits and guinea pigs, even a single dose of some antibiotics may be enough to start this chain of events, but in carnivores, it is a fairly rare event. It is occasionally seen in humans, especially following surgery or after severe bacterial infections when high doses of antibiotics are required. Clostridiosis, however, is not a transmissible disease, and pops up only when the bacterial flora of almost any mammal is seriously “out of whack.” This year, a lot of talk about C. difficile infection occurred following the identification of C. difficile toxin in the feces of ferrets that died from diarrheal disease. However, as everyone (humans and ferrets, and many other species) has this bacterium normally in the GI tract, very sensitive tests can often pick up levels of toxin far below that which causes problems. The diagnosis of C. difficile in animals involves not only finding the toxin in intestinal contents, but identifying the characteristic lesion it creates in the intestinal wall in autopsy samples. A positive diagnosis is achieved only when both criteria are met. In the cases this year, the toxin was identified, but the lesion was not; the final diagnosis in this series of cases was severe coccidiosis, not clostridiosis. People can make ferrets sick in a number of ways — poor nutrition, poor breeding practices, lack of exercise, and even in some cases, withholding proper veterinary care such as not vaccinating. Transmission of human diseases to our pets, however, falls far down this list. If you can remember to keep your ferrets at arm’s length when you have the sniffles, then you’ve probably covered your bases with your infectious disease. And another: www.wormsandgermsblog.com/files/2008/04/M2-C-diff-Owners1.pdfShe just started throwing up a few minutes ago. We are taking her to our vet as soon as my mom gets home, she had to take off work. im very very worried. i hope this does not turn into a rainbow road post but i have a very bad feeling about this . Edit: No obstructions at vet, but he said there's a small amount of something in her stomach. doing bariums tomorrow morning.
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Post by unclejoe on Jan 2, 2017 20:15:26 GMT -5
C. diff. is a bugger in nursing homes. A diagnosis requires any caregivers/staff to gown up and wear gloves as long as they are in the person's room. People that have c. diff. infections get dehydrated quickly and have frequent diarrhea. It's usually diagnosed by cell count in stool. The contact precautions often stay in place after the patient has been cleared.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 2, 2017 23:21:50 GMT -5
Good luck with her. Hope it is something treatable.
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