Cream coloured tripe are just regular "white" = cleaned, bkeached and usualy at least partly cooked tripe. No use for animal food.
Aris will get used to the bones, you just have to be more stubborn than him. just like with most things with ferrets.
Great about new meats, just don't forget to freeze that deer for min 48 hours.
Yes the stashing thing can be really disgustibg sometimes ... two weeks ago i found a stashing spot of Iorek and Drdra in their sleeping hanging cube (i really didn't imagin they will stash anyting in their sleeping sack) ... disgusting and since ir is quite warm here it was full if maggots allready. Yuck.
How are you doing with a weekly menue? It would be really a time to write down what you feed on weekly basis, so that we can bakance it.
Actually of those organs which are not to be on the menue that often are only brain (too fat - will cause loose stools), lungs which are not excatly what goes under organs and thyroid (exces can cause hyperthyroidism). All are grate, and should be fed occasionaly, just not too often.
In the regular "mix" should do liver (1/2 of organ's amount) beside this you can give kidneys, spleen, pancreas, testicles and here and there throw in some of the above. Brains for instance can be more often on the menue if you are feeding them as a part of wholeprey. I quite often feed rabbit heads, but there the amount of brain is much smaller than it would be compared to the half of the organ meal and beside those small brains they also get some meat (tongue, facial muscles, ...), quite some bone (they only leave teeth) and other (some skin with hair, eyes, ...)
Arya is a good girl! But don't worry, Aris will eat the bon too.
Can you post the pic of bone in meat pieces you are feeding now?
I might not reply regulary in next few days, I have to get myself together ... we have lost Chili yesterday His heart stopped during the op. and we couln't get him back. We all knew it was a risky procedure, but it was the only way that we could get him some more quality time. Without it it was only question of days when I should have put him to sleep.
My deepest sympathy on the loss of your sweet Chili. I wish there were words to comfort you but only time will make you remember Chili with more smiles than tears.
For now mine are still on chunkies. 8oz muscle meat, 1oz liver, 1oz heart, 3/4 tsp bone meal. 1 bag will usually last a day and a half.
Monday AM-chicken chunkies with chicken heart and beef liver 3/4tsp bone meal PM-same Tuesday AM-same PM-beef chunkies with beef heart and chicken liver 3/4tsp bone meal & rabbit haunch clipped to cage Wednesday AM-same PM-same & crushed rabbit ribs clipped to cage Thursday- Ran out of prepared meals, fed whole meal beef heart. Will probably do an organ meal for PM meal.
Food prep night! I finally got over to Kaylas and we took inventory. There's cow, goat, chicken, turkey, lamb, fish, and pig muscle meat. Chicken, beef, and lamb liver. Chicken, cow, pig, and turkey heart. Beef lung, beef kidney, lamb kidney. Cow tongue, turkey necks, pork neck, soup bones with lotsa marrow, chicken feet, pig feet, ox tail, whole rabbit, frog legs. Then finally quail and duck eggs.
Pancreas, trachea & gullet, more kidney, ground whole duck, goat spleen, beef spleen, lamb lung is in the next order for this week.
@poncesmom Thnx. I know it will be easier with time, unfortunately I have done it so many times ... The good side is, that I know, I have done everything I could for him. Many would give up at the begining with his behavioural issues. I didn't really mind it - I just excepted him the way he was. Atm I am keeping myself busy with other four and doing thing outside on a garden.
@funkelt You two got quite some stash of food ) No wonder you were chopping and packing it until 6 am Well, the good thing is it will last for some time.
Since they are with no problem eating meat chunks, I would now try to put together a weekly menue, that will resemble the proper frankenrprey menue as possible. There where we will have lack of something, we will go with supplement.
We will need: - 7-9 meals of bone in meat (I know they are not eating enough, let's just try put a weekly plan together, than we will fix it - 3-4 meals of muscle meat (at least one and a half should be heart) - 1,5 meals of organs (half of it liver, half other organ)
This is a SAMPLE menue: Monday am: edible bone in meat Monday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)
Tuesday am: edible bone in meat Tuesday pm: muscle meat
Wednesday am: edible bone in meat Wednesday pm: heart
Thursday am: edible bone in meat Thursday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)
Friday am: edible bone in meat Friday pm: ½ heart + ¼ liver + ¼ other organ
Saturday am: edible bone in meat Saturday pm: muscle meat
Sunday am: edible bone in meat Sunday pm: ½ liver + ½ other organ
I would like you to fill in what will you feed each day. I would like you to give separate meals of bone in meat, so that we will see how much of it they will acctually eat. For the begining (first week) I would stick to those things they are used to, don't put in any new proteins. That way we will be able to se where we need some more work to do and where are no problems
I'm back home now. My share of haul for now came out to Muscle meat-goat, veal, beef, chicken, salmon, and tongue; Organ- pork liver, lung, and lamb kidney; Heart-chicken and turkey; Bone-in-frog legs, beef ribs (I know they can't eat big bones), and soup bones with tons of marrow.
I don't think I have enough yet to make frankenprey meals. I tried to introduce kidney and that was a no go. They seem indifferent about the tongue, dislike veal, and I haven't tried goat with them yet.
That was a nice grocery run. What kind of tongue is it? Beef tongue is insanely priced here and we have more cows than people in our county.
They'll learn to like the lamb kidney if you sneak it in a little at a time. Try adding some tiny slivers of it to a muscle meat meal and mix it in or make a soupie and use some. I find that often times if I run into a new protein then mixing an egg up and pouring that over it will help.
Mine go crazy over pork brains so I tend to use that most often as my 'other organ' but they also like bull testicles (go figure, yuck!) and they do like pork kidney.
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It's beef tongue. Out of everything we've had to cut up, kayla and I found that tongue was it for us. We just couldn't handle the texture and the blood spurting from the back part and....just ew ew eeeeew! Lmao but they actually dig it. Kayla scored pork belly too and she's getting another order of spleen and grounds from my pet carnivore Wednesday. We've had such trouble finding organs here so she ordered a bunch to last us. That shipping charge is the pits though!
Now to stock up on bone in meals and these fur kids will be set for a good while! I can't wait until my mother in law gets her fowl and rabbit stock back up. We will have quail and chicken eggs, chicks, bunnies, and culls of all ages.
Oh, also, since we don't have much bone in selection I was wondering if I can just give muscle meat with the bone meal powder on bone in days? So that would mean that on regular muscle meat days we should omit the bone meal, right? We were putting 3/4 tsp bone meal per 10oz baggie of soupies so if I were giving, say, a 4oz meal how much bone meal would I put in? Right now all 5 woozles have runny, dark poo. That would likely be a combination of too much organ meat and too little bone meal, right?
That's right. Those runny dark poos come from organs and not enough bone. You want them to learn to eat bone but that does take a bit of time and you need to find some small bone in protein sources. Bone meal powder is fine as a supplement and while they're learning to eat bone so continue using that.
Watch their poos as you are doing and base the amount of bonemeal powder on how their poos look. Each ferret needs differing bone in their diets to adjust the poos so you may need to add a bit more or add a bit less. Dry chalky poos mean too much bonemeal powder and loose poos mean not enough.
However you do want them to learn to eat bone. Make sure that they have some gizzard meals. That will help them build up some jaw strength and also clean their teeth.
Bones provide great nutrients and of course help with their teeth. They provide great stimulation and enrichment so we want to get them on bones but bonemeal powder for now will help until they are comfortable with eating them.
But first, I would still want you to try make a menue. It does not have to be perfect, don't worry, almost none of ferrets at the begining eats everything. We will fill those missing gaps with some kind of soupies or substitutes. I would like to have it in meal plan form, because it will be much easier to follow (for me & poncesmom and for you two) what are they getting and where we have problems/missing nutrients. And will much easier work on it.
Don't be scared and don't complicate, just fill in what you have ... (I could do it for you, but I want you to try it, a) that way you will learn most, b) you know exactly wich pieces you have and what they like) For instance: Monday am: beef chunks with bone meal powder Monday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle) Tuesday am: rabbit ribbs Tuesday pm: pork chunks Wednesday am: edible bone in meat Wednesday pm: lamb heart Friday am: edible bone in meat Friday pm: ½ heart + 1/4 liver + we will try kidney (don't worr, at first we will mix in just few sliver of kidneys, just the way you did when you introduced pieces in soupie) ...
Fill in what you know they eat (heart and liver, those meats they eat and few meat in bone meal, ...) all other we will fill together.
We found pork brain!!! I hope ours like it as much as Ponces do! (But I forgot it at kaylas lol)
I made this meal plan for this week. We have so much organ meat now...it seems they're getting less organ meat with frankenprey than they did with soupies since theyre only supposed to have it on one day.
Monday am: 3oz beef chunks with bone meal powder & crushed chicken neck Monday pm: 3oz chicken chunks with bone meal powder (retrieve chicken neck from kids toybox, disinfect EVERYTHING)
Tuesday am: 3oz beef chunks with bone meal powder & crushed frog legs Tuesday pm: 3oz chicken chunks with bone meal powder
Wednesday am: 3oz turkey heart Wednesday pm: 3oz beef chunks with bone meal powder
Chicken and beef are the only muscle meats I have atm. Should I decrease chunks offered when I try to feed them bone in meals? On one hand I don't want them to get full and not eat it but on the other I don't want to make them go hungry if they aren't going to eat it anyway. Beef tongue would count as a muscle meat, yeah? If so, I'll substitute one of the days.