I still need recent pictures of Roscoe and Chaos but here is little Sheldon passed out in the food dish last night <3 I took him home today after a 2 day break from his big brothers. He was quite relaxed here until he played too rough with Arya and didnt stop when she asked. She kicked his butt! I didnt break it up because no one was screaming or defecating but he definitely got put in his place. Then they all passed out together in a fuzzbutt pile
Here is the reluctantly patient Junior who still doesnt know what to think of his new roomies.
Top down pics of Aris & Arya in that order 3/9/16. Excuse the mess, they found the shredded paper
New (to me) cage today! I friggin hate the Kaytee brand cages, they are a hazard and escapable but I zip tied the heck outta it. Gotta make do with what we have for now! It sure beats their old one.
Everyone is just darling. Sheldon is so so cute. I'm glad he and Granger have hit it off. Babies really are happier with another little one.
Wow, you got a really good price for those frog legs. We can get them easily but they cost $5 for a six pack. They're a great new bone for Aris, Arya, Sheldon and Granger. Another protein...excellent.
Frog legs are a very high in protein. They are a great source of the important fatty acids plus they have have Potassium and Vitamin A in them. Since we need to watch Vitamin A then I would recommend that you feed them once a week and no more.
gfountain is from Louisiana. She's a terrific Mentor who just happens to be crazy about frog legs so I'm going to talk with her and ask her to weigh in on frog legs.
I'm going to post this and then start another post. I wrote you a long lesson and lost it when I posted. Geez...sorry about that. You must be so disappointed that you didn't get a lesson but "Wait there's more..."
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You have a problem with Sheldon and the chewing. We've got some chewers on the forum and they suggest ferret proofing (serious big time) when you have a chewer. Can you sew? You can make him new bedding and blankets out of denim. That's a strong material and Sheldon will not be easily able to swallow any material.
Then take away all the rubber or chew toys around. I've been a Mom and know that between your sister's and your own babies that this is not easy. There's all kinds of stuff that's tempting for both babies and fur kids.
There are some health reasons why Sheldon may be chewing. He may have some issue in his mouth. An ulcer or a bad tooth. Chewing can be his way of reliving comfort. Can you look in his mouth? This will be a group project, lol. Someone will have to hold him and someone will have to look. Add to that a wiggly Sheldon and a group of concerned ferrets then I can just imagine what that's like.
The other thing we'll look at is IBD. He may have an allergy or intolerance to a food. If he does then we'll talk about figuring that out and talk about how to adjust his diet to avoid that protein source. Let's see what maja01 says.
Give hugs to everyone and I'll check back in later.
Hi, sorry for the long reply time, it was a looong day yesterday. I have been on a chekup with Chili (his blood values are a bit better than last week, but still awfully low - tough the blood is regenerating). We have decided to operate him on tuesday. We have to know what is really going on inside, to take biopsy samples and how it seems after US and palpation of the abdomen, probably a partial gastrotomy will be required ... I said I will not opt for chemo, but at the moment we are pretty stuck. "Just" medicines and vitamines will not do much, and doing blood transfusion every week, with blood "leaking" somewhere, makes no sense. We opted for this since despite the blood results he is doing pretty much ok - eating, runing around, beeing silly old Chili ... I know it is a risky descision, but I think we must give him a chance and do something. After clinic visit I was on a funeral - my fathers aunt died this week - and when I came home, I had to finish a project for cooking lessons I am about to start next week ...
Chewing blankets in ferrets is quite a complex thing ... There might be some underlying health issues (like GI tract infections/inflamations, some kind of pain), it might be behavioural issue if ferret is to early taken away from mom&siblings, some chew on just particular material (usually the soft fabrics like fleece - in them for instance material like jeans can help), it might be out of boredom (highly unlikely in his case), some ... just do it. Some are milder cases, some are worst. The worst one are those who can not have any fabric for bedding, one must use shreded paper or straw for bedding ...
Soooo ... I guess is a time for the first of our little quizzes in which we will cover all important topics. After graduating from metoring program, we don7t only want you to feed your ferrets balanced diet, we also want our graduates to know the theory behind their menues - why, how much, how often, ...
So, the first series of question: 1. List 3 organs aside from liver. 2. What counts as a "different protein source?" 3. How many different proteins does a ferret need in a week at a Minimum? 4. Why are cooked bones dangerous and raw bones safe? 5. What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? 6. Are leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats? 7. How much can a ferret's appetite and weight change seasonally?
Try not to use search at providing answers - this way you will learn most. I will evaluate your answers and will provide all explanation to you
Maja, I'm so sorry about what you're going through I hope Chili overcomes all this.
Kaylas 3 have a vet appointment soon so shell bring everything up. I think he's just a chewer. He can tear up some bone too haha Chaos and Roscoe have also been known to eat blankets and crinkle balls and especially Barbies. She has to check the cage for stashed "contraband" at night lol I've caught Chaos stashing fleece pom poms and toys in the edges of the bed. That guy has food, toy, and bedding stashes everywhere lol He's also the one who will steal a cellphone strait out your hand These spoiled ferrets can't use boredom as an excuse! They have several dig boxes, a kiddie pool of balls and starch peanuts, several tubes and hides, and loads of attention. We are also planning an outdoor enclosure.
Yay! Test time! 1. Other organs would be secreting organs such as pancreas, spleen (?), and lung. I read snout somewhere but Idk about that one. 2. Different protiens as in different species you're feeding. Turkey, chicken, rodents, pig, cow, etc. 3. You should feed at least 3 different protiens, one being a red meat 4. Cooked bones will splinter, raw bones don't 5. You can get taurine powder at the health store for emergencies. I've heard turkey theigh also has taurine 6. Ferrets need a combination of lean and fatty meats, right? I don't know much on this subject. 7. Ferrets appetite and weights can very greatly with the seasons! They will usually shed and lower their caloric intake during the warmer seasons.
One moar thing...Aris and Arya dig furiously at the bottom of their new cage. They never did this in the wire one. Could it be they're testing it, trying to escape or maybe because the thin layer of shredded paper I put down? Their nails are trimmed.
Maja, I'm so sorry about what you're going through I hope Chili overcomes all this.
So do i ... That is why last year I have decided it is time to get ferrets from breeders and to start breeding, it is so heart braking that at 6 years this kind of things are happening (plus everything else he has) . I know that no one can assure that with non-mill ferrets everything will be ok and that they will live up to a proper old age, but at least theoreticaly the odds are higher. But as I said, until he is fighting, I will fight too. I probably got (again) myself an gastric upset due to all stress ... but, I will go over. Kaylas 3 have a vet appointment soon so shell bring everything up. I think he's just a chewer. He can tear up some bone too haha Chaos and Roscoe have also been known to eat blankets and crinkle balls and especially Barbies. She has to check the cage for stashed "contraband" at night lol I've caught Chaos stashing fleece pom poms and toys in the edges of the bed. That guy has food, toy, and bedding stashes everywhere lol He's also the one who will steal a cellphone strait out your hand Oh, the stasher and thieve you have I haven't have a proper thoeve for a long time. My first ferret was "awfull" from that point of view ... She got herself in all kind of possible trouble, and we were very lucky that her first few years passed with no real accident. Oh, boy ... what could have all happened ... If you are talking Barbie dolls, be very carefull with them. They can easily chew them and most of ferrets No, I really think is not boredom. 1. Other organs would be secreting organs such as pancreas, spleen (?), and lung. I read snout somewhere but Idk about that one. Yes, secreting internal organs - those which secret some kind of hormons. For instance pancreas, spleen, kidney (this one is worth knowing, because it pretty much easy to get - at least here), testicles, brain (you don't want to feed them to much - they are great, also a good source of taurine, but very fat and will cause very loose stools), also thyroid gland (which is not to be fed to often, it can cause hyperthyroidism). Lungs are a bit of mix of muscle meat (but not very nutritious), but they also have some secreting cells in them, so when they are fed, they should be fed like an "other" organ. They should not be fed very often, since they are not really organ, tough, ... I like to give it here and there since they really have to chew on it - they are slightly "gummy" and are good source of vitamine B and iron. If you dry them they are also good treat. Snouts don't count as organs, they are muscle meat. 2. Different protiens as in different species you're feeding. Turkey, chicken, rodents, pig, cow, etc.Correct! What you should know here is that chicken, hens and cornish game hens are the same species, just different age/diferent breed (like different dog breeds). On the other hand, turkey, duck, geese, quail, ... are different species so they count as different proteins. Which is good to know, since chicken sensitivity is quite common among animals (probably due to all kind of nasty stuff farmed chickens are fed with), but that does not mean that all animals with chicken sensitivity will also have problem with everything else whith feathers. Usually not, so it is worth giving a try. And simillar goes with rodnets - mice, rats, hamsters ... all different species, hence different protein. 3. You should feed at least 3 different protiens, one being a red meatYes, three is minimum. That way you make the diet balanced - different kind of meats are rich in different kind of nutrients. Machan just recently wrote a post with comparison chart for different meat proteins - I just can't find it atm, will post link latter. 4. Cooked bones will splinter, raw bones don't Correct! Cooking causes structural changes in bones, that is why they become hard and splinter. Raw bones are "soft" (still speaking of bone so it is not really soft) and easyliy palatible for a carnivore. Cooking also destroys nutrients found in a bone marrow ... Of course when switching, you have to go gradualy - so that their chewing muscles adapt to gnawing - it is no way a former "kibbler" will just go straight and chew down on a chicken tight ... Also you have to keep in mind that they can only eat bones up to some size, you can not really expect a ferret to eat for instance bones like horse's humerus (leg bone). 5. You can get taurine powder at the health store for emergencies. I've heard turkey theigh also has taurine Taurine powder would be one solution, but before this beef tongue would be one good resource. Still ... natural source is preffered to any kind of isolates. Brains are also good source, but as I mentioned earlier, they are really high in fat, so you can not use them daily. Actually in almost all meat some taurine is found, in those big muscles taht work more are bigger quantities, but they are not really considered as a good taurine source. So if you run out of hearts, go find beef tongue or substitute with taurine powder. 6. Ferrets need a combination of lean and fatty meats, right? I don't know much on this subject.Yes, variety and comination is allways the rule But if you would only have one to choose, than fattier would be preffered 7. Ferrets appetite and weights can very greatly with the seasons! They will usually shed and lower their caloric intake during the warmer seasons. Also correct! Their weight can fluctuate for up to 40% and sometimes those changes are really dramatic! So in warmer months they loose weight and eat less, and contrary in the winter. Since most of the ferrets are housed inside, not all go trough this dramatic changes, or the difference is really not that big for most of them. One more interesting thing ... there are some ferrets, that have somehow messed it up. They are on reverse and get fattier and fluffier during summer and loose weigt and coat in winter
You did great, I am very pleased with your answers! One moar thing...Aris and Arya dig furiously at the bottom of their new cage. They never did this in the wire one. Could it be they're testing it, trying to escape or maybe because the thin layer of shredded paper I put down? Their nails are trimmed.It is a new thing they are testing it + shredded paper makes it even more interesting. If a layer is really thin, they might just try to dig in it and since is not thick enough, their nails hit on the podium so that is why you hear it.
Thanks for the links. I'm going to be doing more research into what I can/should feed for frankenprey. I didn't know that some organs shouldnt be fed more than once a week. Arya is eating bones! But Aris is my problem child. I'm sure he'll come around when all his friends are eating a frankenprey diet and he's hungry. Kayla just bought our spoiled spoiled ferrets their own freezer and we've been stocking up like crazy. Tuesday night is when we're doing the next food prep so well work our a frankenprey meal plan for you to review then. It's crazy we have to clear an entire night to do food prep lol Her guys eat literally 3x more than mine. I give 4-6oz a day and she has to put a whole 10oz bag in before work and feed them again at night.
I still have to pay pics of the whole business as Ponce requested. I haven't forgotten!
Hooray for Aris eating bone. What a good girl. Arya will come around. Some are just slower than others or a lazy bone eater like my (cough,cough) Mika. Cut a wing into one inch or one and a half inch sections. Then put those out and see if Arya eats the meat and then finds the bones. Pick up Arya and offer her a piece, then put her down and see if she runs off with it.
Wow, Kayla's ferrets really eat alot. They're must be in the 'I need to eat more of this yummy food' She has one more but they really are eating alot. They're doing great also.
You've moved along so fast and we'll start in with some more lessons now for Mommy.
Everyone is doing just terrific and you and Kayla should be so happy and proud.
Hi! I've just this minute gotten the notification that I was tagged (last week!) about frog legs. My bunch loves their frog legs, but because they're a very lean meat so they only get them twice in 10 days. (I balance over 10 days rather than a week.) Frog legs tend to give yellowish, fishy-smelling poops, so be prepared for that.
Actually of those organs which are not to be on the menue that often are only brain (too fat - will cause loose stools), lungs which are not excatly what goes under organs and thyroid (exces can cause hyperthyroidism). All are grate, and should be fed occasionaly, just not too often.
In the regular "mix" should do liver (1/2 of organ's amount) beside this you can give kidneys, spleen, pancreas, testicles and here and there throw in some of the above. Brains for instance can be more often on the menue if you are feeding them as a part of wholeprey. I quite often feed rabbit heads, but there the amount of brain is much smaller than it would be compared to the half of the organ meal and beside those small brains they also get some meat (tongue, facial muscles, ...), quite some bone (they only leave teeth) and other (some skin with hair, eyes, ...)
Arya is a good girl! But don't worry, Aris will eat the bon too.
Can you post the pic of bone in meat pieces you are feeding now?
I might not reply regulary in next few days, I have to get myself together ... we have lost Chili yesterday His heart stopped during the op. and we couln't get him back. We all knew it was a risky procedure, but it was the only way that we could get him some more quality time. Without it it was only question of days when I should have put him to sleep.
I've offered bone in crushed, cut up, and also on a hook on the side of the cage. Aris is the one who isn't fond of bone but since I've been pushing rabbit ribs and frog legs he's doing it.
Kayla was wondering about tripe for ferrets? She found some that is cream colored, not green. Also honeycomb tripe. A friend is bringing us deer heart (that's been in the deep freezer longer than two weeks) and she got duck eggs and goat muscle meat.
Kayla had given hers a crushed rabbit skull the day before I took all of them home for a sleepover. She called me saYing she puked when she found the skull that had been stashed and it's eyes eaten out. O.O Apparently one must have a strong constitution to be a ferrent. I'm just glad it wasn't me that had to clean it up! Bwahaha