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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 8:32:00 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm looking for a copy of the coat colour book people are raving about! I'm in the UK and can't find one anywhere. Does anyone have a PDF file of the book? I've been looking for absolutely ages and getting nowhere. Thanks in advance! Alice
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:32:27 GMT -5
I'm in the UK too, I've never heard of this book before but it sounds interesting........... My hunt for this book begins...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:46:32 GMT -5
Please send me a private message on here anyone who wants Fret Popper
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:59:21 GMT -5
Having said that, I do find the Ferret Husbandry, Medicine and Surgery by J.Lewington more informative on the subject of coat colour genetics, but Fret Popper is definitely worth a read!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:02:07 GMT -5
Having said that, I do find the Ferret Husbandry, Medicine and Surgery by J.Lewington more informative on the subject of coat colour genetics, but Fret Popper is definitely worth a read! Hooray! I'm thrilled you know of some other good ferret books. I bumped a thread from awhile back when I was in search of ferret books. Thank you very much. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 13:05:13 GMT -5
The book I mentioned is available on this forum which is where I found it. And I have been looking for a decent reference on genetics for a long time. Some of it is not necessarily true for all lines/countries... for example it states silver mitt is a recessive gene... in my lines it a dominant and I believe UK silver mitt is homozygous lethal But I won't be testing that out. There's enough anecdotes to that effect online :-)
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Post by Heather on Jan 14, 2016 13:52:12 GMT -5
The book has been out of print for awhile. It only did a short run (about a year) but it did cause a bit of a stir, from outright ridicule to oh, maybe they're onto something. What it did do was cause some people to take a closer look at their lines, and just what and why they were breeding. It got some breeders over here to stop breeding for colour and markings and started them cleaning up their ferret lines. Like dogs, cats, breeders sometimes get blindsided by what the public wants and what the show ring judges want. There is a wide variance in interpretation to what a breed standard is and the public is ever prone to flights of fancy add those two components and it spells disaster for whatever creature is involved. I can remember talking to some breeders about a breed that had been finally accepted into the breed standards (dogs).....the remark that stuck was "and there goes that breed down the drain". When I first got into ferrets there were basically 2 types of ferrets you could get. Sables and albinos and the rare and occasional silver. DEWs...you got those from buying a silver and let it get past 2 yrs of age. It was and still is a very unstable colour. Markings other than the masks were rare in confined to those silvers. Yes, there was the occasional blaze and milk toes but they were rare. Deafies, I went a couple of years before getting 1. A couple of years ago, every rescue I had in house, 9 ferrets were all deaf. I consider the batch I've got right now, unusual...they can all hear ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 17:55:47 GMT -5
I have this one. I wanted it in print (But its out), But I did find the PDF and its in my Drive.
I was interested and did the research but I never found it in print. I did find out that it was imprint around 2011 through the SA Ferret Association. I could probably send them an email, but I highly doubt its available in hard or soft print these days.
Only three libraries have it in Aus. State Library of South Australia, State Library of Tasmania, & The National Library of Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 18:34:30 GMT -5
I have this one. I wanted it in print (But its out), But I did find the PDF and its in my Drive. I was interested and did the research but I never found it in print. I did find out that it was imprint around 2011 through the SA Ferret Association. I could probably send them an email, but I highly doubt its available in hard or soft print these days. Only three libraries have it in Aus. State Library of South Australia, State Library of Tasmania, & The National Library of Australia. I'm going to tag Thérèse and get her in on this conversation. Therese, any Australian input for Machan?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 2:57:57 GMT -5
The book has been out of print for awhile. It only did a short run (about a year) but it did cause a bit of a stir, from outright ridicule to oh, maybe they're onto something. What it did do was cause some people to take a closer look at their lines, and just what and why they were breeding. It got some breeders over here to stop breeding for colour and markings and started them cleaning up their ferret lines. Like dogs, cats, breeders sometimes get blindsided by what the public wants and what the show ring judges want. There is a wide variance in interpretation to what a breed standard is and the public is ever prone to flights of fancy add those two components and it spells disaster for whatever creature is involved. I can remember talking to some breeders about a breed that had been finally accepted into the breed standards (dogs).....the remark that stuck was "and there goes that breed down the drain". When I first got into ferrets there were basically 2 types of ferrets you could get. Sables and albinos and the rare and occasional silver. DEWs...you got those from buying a silver and let it get past 2 yrs of age. It was and still is a very unstable colour. Markings other than the masks were rare in confined to those silvers. Yes, there was the occasional blaze and milk toes but they were rare. Deafies, I went a couple of years before getting 1. A couple of years ago, every rescue I had in house, 9 ferrets were all deaf. I consider the batch I've got right now, unusual...they can all hear ciao Both Fret Popper and J. Lewington warn of the risks of breeding extreme dilutes/multiple recessives and extreme/high whites which is good. If I remember rightly J.Lewington does also make mention of MHC receptors also and the relevance of these to inbreeding. Plenty to chew on in them both. The shame of the matter IS that people go for looks over health, and sometimes even over temperament. Just look at Pugs, English Bulldogs, Chihuahuas and indeed Bernese Mountain Dogs, Great Pyr, Irish Wolfhounds, Boxers .... I think everyone breeding ferrets always needs to keep in mind many (all?) dog breeds bred, I certainly try to always think about what/how things could go wrong, and try to avoid that slippery slope!
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Post by Thérèse on Jan 15, 2016 8:57:38 GMT -5
I know this is an Australian book but it is one of the few ferret books that I did not buy when I saw it on sale many years back. At that stage I had no idea exactly what it was and the name Fret Popper makes it seem kind of not serious, so I didn't get it, figuring it was some sort of joke book and also that it was just about colour (considering I always get sables), it seemed like not a book I would get much from. However since then I have read many comments on it and now think it is one I probably should have got. I have an interest in genetics and while I will still probably always have sables I think it would be an interesting read. I keep meaning to have a look around for it (figuring it may be easier to snag a second hand copy here in Aus as it is an Aussie book, but so far I haven't got round to doing a search.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 15, 2016 11:42:24 GMT -5
I also have a copy of this in my dropbox for anyone who wants it. We did have it on the forum for a while, but had to remove it due to copyright issues.
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Post by Heather on Jan 15, 2016 14:29:13 GMT -5
The book is a bit of a lightweight when it comes to "clean genetics" but anyone who even dabbles can understand (cute little ferret pics to explain too) with flow charts and such. Very visual but it does get it's point across and if nothing else it explains outcomes (just leaves out all that complicated stuff in the middle lol). For a breeder it probably doesn't cover the bases, especially if you're playing outside the bar but for the common soul it does nicely explain why we shouldn't go out and buy certain colours and markings and what we're doing by creating that market ciao
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