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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 15:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 15:11:19 GMT -5
Now look at his butt....we've had to clean him but not this much
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Post by gfountain on Dec 1, 2015 15:50:19 GMT -5
Aww, that poor little bottom. Did that slight prolapse recede? If not, put a little bit of sugar on it and hold him for about 10 minutes so he can't lick it off. That will make it go in, then you can wipe off the sugar.
I think try the soup change. Beef and veal is fine, same proportions as with the chicken soup.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 16:37:46 GMT -5
I'll check and see, I wondered if I should do the sugar, it has happened before and it goes back in. I feel so bad for him, he is so sweet and just let's me clean his bottom. Question....how small bones are too small. I cut up the rest of the Cornish hen today and was going to give them the breast bones but they are so small.....just need to know when is the choking factor. Should I have Jax's poop checked by the vet?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 17:59:56 GMT -5
Ok his rectum receded
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 20:18:48 GMT -5
Jax sleeping on my chest, don't think he feels good tonight. Bought a beef roast and gonna make beef soupie in the morning with veal heat and liver. Question.....what happens if we have to kick out chicken for Jax and tirkey b for Gomez. How do we get 3 different proteins a week in? We are in a very small town and duck and rabbit are not easily obtained. Trying to get to Boston's China town soon for duck, quail and rabbit
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Post by gfountain on Dec 1, 2015 21:28:39 GMT -5
You can use sudocreme to sooth it if you need to. It wouldn't hurt to have it checked just to make sure there's no bacteria.
Bones should either be small enough to swallow whole or large enough that they have to chew them. If they're already small and you're not sure, chop them smaller to be on the safe side. Your boys are still new to bone and haven't learned to hack them back up yet if they need to. And a scare at this point could set them back.
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Post by gfountain on Dec 1, 2015 21:35:39 GMT -5
Awwww, sleepy cuddles. Best thing in the world.
Food sensitivities are a pain. If Jax actually has a problem with chicken, you may end up feeding some meals separately. Feed Jax turkey and Gomez chicken, and only leave meals they can both eat in the cage. What kind of chicken was the soup made from? I assume just a regular full-size chicken. If that's the case, it is entirely possible that Jax will be able to eat CGH. Often the problem is. To with the meat itself, but with the antibiotics and hormones IN the meat. A CGH is just a chicken that was butchered at 5 weeks and therefore hasn't been given all the chemicals that full-size chickens have. And that is assuming that he actually has a sensitivity to chicken, which hasn't been proven yet.
You can add fish and frog to their menu also. My kids don't like fish but they fight over their frog legs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 21:53:24 GMT -5
Ok few things: 1. For soupie we use boneless chicken thighs, we also on occasion use bone in chicken thighs and I debone. When we purchase we always look to make sure no antibiotics, hormones or sodium is added. 2. We are still having to sit and feed both boys.....very rarely will either eat in their condo when we leave food. Jax did the 1st few days but that was it. Yes, if we end up with chicken and/or turkey allergies those days they would not be left with any in their condo. 3. This week with me being off work I am feeding both boys in the morning. So while feeding Gomez I put Jax in the condo and he will eat a very little on his own then when I get him he goes to town. 4. This past weekend as you know we had the CGH, Gomez ate some bone, yippie we could hear him crunching as one or the other of us held it. No, I do not want the scare of one of them choking at all. I smash up the bone pretty good. Machan and Celene had sent us a video in our unofficial switching thread so did it like that. 5. Friday very early we are dropping off a poop sample to Dr Dyer our vet to check, she is like an hour away - closest exotic cet we have and she is raw accepting....of course her preference is pinkies only as they get it all in 1 meal lol. 6. It will be hard to get frog up in northern NH, 60 miles from Canada and I too love frog legs lol yummy. I hope when we go to Boston we can find some, 3 hour trip 1 way. I did look at Pet Carnivore today and their grinds but more on the whole rabbit, emu....have you used them? 7. On my impalling.....we were putting up a shed and I was racheting the bottom and my rachet slipped and my head just went down on the hard stick. My ENT said I had a better chance of winning the lottery. See ya Scarlett
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 7:07:06 GMT -5
Morning Jax is eating the beef soupie.....only doing soupie with him Still has loose poops that stink bad. Playing playing playing with brother. Had to do sugar compress this morning and held him, didn't go right down, will check in a few.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 7:48:23 GMT -5
The sudocreme is that the only brand we can use? I'll go look at Walgreens or Rite Aid today. His rectum has retracted back in so good for that.
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Post by gfountain on Dec 3, 2015 11:50:02 GMT -5
I believe Desitin is the same as Sudocreme, and it's easier to find.
Increase Jax's eggshell a tiny bit and see if that helps the runs. Honestly, I really hope the vet finds something in the poop that would be the cause.
Try Gomez on a whole bone and see what he does with it. The rib bones of a CGH are great starter bones, or the wing tip of a CGH. Let me know how he does. If he can't/won't eat it, I'll walk you through the steps to work up to whole bone.
As far as them eating on their own, that's going to be a learning process for them also and it will most likely have to be done in baby steps. You've gotten them both spoiled to being hand fed (not a bad thing, just something that's going to have to end at some point), so they're going to have to LEARN to eat without you. Actually, they've already both proven that they KNOW how to eat on their own, they just don't want to, lol. They have to be weaned away from mom. To do that, start lowering the spoon each time you give them a bite. Instead of raising it all the way to their mouths, make them lower their head to get to the food. Each bite make them go a little lower, until eventually they will sit on your lap and eat from the dish. The next step will be to move them off your lap. You'll put them wherever you want them to eat, whether it's in the cage or on the floor, or on a table. Sit with them with your hand on their backs and talk to them so they know you're there. It's important to talk to them so they associate the sound of your voice with your presence, because the next step is just to sit with them and talk, not touch them. Then the next step will be to gradually move away, but stay in the same room, always talking so they know you're there. Then eventually, you'll move farther away, into another room, stop talking, etc. It's a process, but sometimes it goes pretty quickly.
My kids don't like the texture of ground meat, so I've never bothered with trying commercial ground. But lots of ferrets like them. If that's something you want to try, it's a good way to get those more unusual proteins. I wouldn't recommend using exclusively grinds because they need the dental cleaning of the bones and the mental stimulation of different textures is good for them.
I'm out of time. I think I addressed all of your questions, but if not, let me know what I missed. Hope your ear is feeling better! Mine hurts just thinking about it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 16:33:55 GMT -5
Hi, funny thing Gomez did today he pulled his crinkle sacrifice from the kitchen to right in front of the pellet stove lol I picked up some cream in case we need it, just need to make sure he won't pick it, will it hurt him? Think I didn't write it clear enough. ...Gomez we have been trying chicken wing tips for weeks and last week he finally ate it, before he would crunch but that was about it, so happy he's had about 3 now. Still will not eat the entire thing but it's a start, tired CGH wing and neck and he did ok. I was asking about how small was too small because of the breast bone in the CGH as it is small. For the eating alone to clarify- we only use spoons sometimes anymore and only to start if needed. We sit at the table or TV tray and have our arm around or by the side of them, talking and saying how good they are doing....only time we have to do lap is when Gomez doesn't want to eat something. We have tried to put then in their condo to eat or a feed box and nope. So this is why we were asking how to start the process and maybe we are not ready yet.....I know we aren't with Jax but wondered about Gomez. So, we will start by placing in his condo and have our hand on him and proceed like that for a bit since we are already past the other steps. Yea I asked about the grinds like pet carnivore in case they don't ever get to bone or the heart eating issues. Gomez likes liver but hates heart texture. Wish we could do skype at times so you could see them and us really talk. Snowed here most of the day. When are you out for Christmas break from teaching? Scarlett
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Post by gfountain on Dec 3, 2015 22:05:54 GMT -5
Aw, little Gomez wanted to be warm. They do the funniest things, don't they? My Minnie is big on moving things around. She'll put a toy or a shoe in 'egzackly da wight spot, mommee' and then throw a little hissy fit if anyone moves it. She huffs and shakes her little head and stomps her little feet and whoever moved whatever it was obediently puts it right back where it was, lol. I love their little antics. They are my stress relief at the end of the day.
Obviously, it would be best if no one licks the diaper rash cream, but it shouldn't hurt him if he does lick it. I've heard that most ferrets don't like the taste so hopefully that won't be a problem.
I understood about the small bones, no problem. I just always want to make sure I state everything as clearly as possible and I do often repeat myself, so I apologize for that. (When I do, just read it and think, mhmm she's losing her memory, lol.) It sounds like Gomez is doing ok with his bones. The CGH bones are going to be easiest for him until he builds up his jaw strength.
You're definitely ready to start getting them to eat on their own, even with Jax. Ferrets are like toddlers and they quickly learn how to manipulate us. My Leon is a master manipulator. He was sick for a couple of weeks, so I was babying him and giving him soup every time I saw him awake. He learned that if he would get up when everyone else was asleep, he got extra snuggles and treats and private playtime with mommee and daddee. So for weeks, he would disappear and take a power nap in the middle of the evening playtime so he could get up late with us. And since daddee is a sucker, he still occasionally manages to get his late night snacks and playtime, lol.
Grinds are ok. They're better than kibble by a long shot, but not as good in some ways as frankenprey or whole prey. Many people use grinds once or twice a week, just to get an unusual or hard to find protein, and then do whole meats the rest of the week. I really don't think them eating bone will be an issue. Gomez is already starting to eat them and I don't expect Jax will be very far behind. It seems so funny to me that Gomez likes liver but hates the heart. That is backwards to most ferrets. But there are ways to get heart into him whether he likes it or not. If nothing else, you can blend the heart and serve it as soup.
I can do skype. At least I think I can, lol. I know I can from school, not sure if I can from home or not. My home pc is out of commission more often than not and I can't afford to replace it atm, so all I have here is my iPad. But I'm sure there's a Skype app. I just need to find it.
School is out from the 23rd to the 4th. .
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Post by gfountain on Dec 3, 2015 22:07:51 GMT -5
Oh, are you down to soup-less meals for Gomez yet?
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