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Post by bitbyter on Sept 6, 2015 16:01:47 GMT -5
Yep, a hammer would work fine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:05:39 GMT -5
Intake
9/6 AM - 0.9 oz 9/6 PM - 0.8 oz 9/6 - overnight 0.8 oz TOTAL - 2.5 oz 9/7 AM - 4.6 oz* 9/7 PM - 0.0 oz 9/7 - overnight 0.2 oz TOTAL - 4.8 oz 9/8 AM - 0.9 oz 9/8 PM - 0.6 oz 9/8 - overnight 0.7 oz TOTAL - 2.2 oz 9/9 AM - 0.8 oz 9/9 PM - 3.8 oz* 9/9 - overnight 0.2 oz TOTAL - 4.8 oz 9/10 AM - 1.1 oz 9/10 PM - 0.5 oz 9/10 - overnight 0.0 oz TOTAL - 1.6 oz 9/11 AM - 1.1 oz 9/11 PM - 1.9 oz** 9/11 - overnight 0.1 oz TOTAL - 3.1 oz
* - indicates egg and soup meal ** - indicates FDR meal
Sorry I've been so negligent this week. I've been sick so I've been lacking in energy and motivation. I have not had Bea try chicken wings yet but will make it a priority by the end of the weekend. I plan to buy a meat cleaver with my next paycheck which will be a week from this Tuesday. So I'll try smashing up the chicken wings with a hammer for now.
I ordered salmon oil for Bea but she is not a fan so far. I suppose it's like anything with them, I have to have her try it on my finger first several times before I can expect her to start liking it, right?
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Post by bitbyter on Sept 13, 2015 17:30:54 GMT -5
Yep, you're her mom so you have to tell her anything new is safe. She'll like it eventually and if you use salmon oil you can always do the odd meal of salmon as she'll be used to the taste.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 14:30:29 GMT -5
Aww, I like how you put that <3
So she could have like a salmon fillet?? Our co op here sells the most delicious fresh caught salmon that I make for myself sometimes as a treat (it's very pricey so its a rare treat!). Could she just have a meal of that occasionally once she gets used to the taste of her salmon oil?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 14:53:58 GMT -5
I tried pounding a chicken wing with a hammer last night (the grocery store was out of chicken wings on Sunday when I went so I picked some up at Target yesterday and made the guy who helped me find them very jealous of my ferret after I told him she has her very own freezer full of meat ). Anyway, my problem was that fibers from the towel I wrapped the wing in were getting all over the chicken wing. I thought of wrapping it in plastic wrap but didn't want the same problem to happen with plastic. Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 9:48:08 GMT -5
Intake9/12 AM - 0.9 oz 9/12 PM - 1.6 oz** 9/12 - overnight 0.8 oz TOTAL - 3.3 oz 9/13 AM - 0.3 oz 9/13 PM - 0.0 oz 9/13 - overnight 0.1 oz TOTAL - 0.4 oz 9/14 AM - 0.5 oz 9/14 PM - 0.2 oz 9/14 - overnight 2.8 oz* TOTAL - 3.5 oz 9/15 AM - 0.3 oz 9/15 PM - 0.3 oz 9/15 - overnight 0.0 oz TOTAL - 0.6 oz Avg on non soup/FDR days - .5 oz * - indicates egg and soup meal ** - indicates FDR meal For some reason, Bea has been reluctant to eat her chunks again I'm not sure what's up with that. I suspect 3 things: 1) her chunks are now a little bigger than before. She might be being stubborn again. 2) she has a little of the bug I've been fighting for a week and doesn't have a big appetite. 3) something medical is going on. I seriously hope not but it's always a possibility with them. Bea has a check up today. She will have bloodwork done too so hopefully that will put any worries about medical problems to rest. In the meantime, I will go back to hand feeding when necessary and have a goal of getting at least an ounce per day into her. (That's not a challenge if the meal is egg soups or FDR so I feel like that's a good sign and maybe she is just choosing to be a picky little boogerface
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 13:39:37 GMT -5
I know you read this on the facebook page but for record's sake, yesterday was the day that Bea was diagnosed with insulinoma. Makes me sad to even type that.
I need a little guidance on how to go forward with our switch. Maybe we could bring Sherry or Heather or someone into the discussion who has experience with transitioning a ferret with insulinoma? I know when Smokey was diagnosed, you had said you didn't have a lot of experience with it.
My confusion has to do with the fact that I'd like to always have FDR in the cage for her just in case. But the thing is, if given the choice between FDR and raw, she will always pick FDR. I'd really like her on raw and move along with the process to be fully on bone in meals and the whole deal but she's going to pork out on FDR as long as it's in her cage with her. Is there a better, but still safe way to go about this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 20:32:00 GMT -5
I have to change my format of how I report since Bea is having FDR as a back up so she always has something to eat that I trust that she will eat. I don't trust that she will eat her raw as readily as she eats her FDR. If you have ideas on another way to do that, run it by me, but that's working for us (and my piece of mind) for now.
raw FDR egg+soup TOTAL 9/16 - .5 0.8 2.5 4.3 9/17 - 1.2 1.8 0.0 2.9 9/18 - 1.2 4.1 0.0 5.3
As far as behavior, she is still acting totally normal for her. We went for a hike through the woods today. We are just living every moment to the fullest and I'm thankful for ever single second with her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:26:49 GMT -5
Just noticing my entry above isn't spaced out as I had it when I typed it. I apologize it doesn't look very clear. I'll have to try to figure out how to make it more clear.
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Post by bitbyter on Sept 21, 2015 21:45:27 GMT -5
Geeze, I feel so bad I haven't responded. Work is crazy right now. If you haven't heard back from me in a reasonable amount of time. Remind me on FB.
When bashing up the wings you can use a freezer bag or parchment paper and then the towel. You just have to break up the bones, not mash it into a paste. Just break them and then chop it up.
As for preferring the FDR over Raw I'm not 100% sure. I'll have to ask some of the other mentors.
The only thing I can think of trying is maybe blending up some of the FDR and using it to "dust" her raw slivers / chuncks kind of like shake and bake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 12:50:20 GMT -5
No worries about not replying sooner. You'd mentioned work was busy and I totally understand. I know how to get a hold of you right away if I need to I'll try the "shake and bake" idea. haha. I may have to ween her back onto the her raw chunks. I'm not sure. She's been having pretty much only FDR this week. I wasn't leaving out chunks because she wasn't eating them. I wasn't bothering hand feeding chunks either. Maybe I should have at least been doing that much. She just doesn't seem very interested in it since she seems to know I'll give her FDR if she doesn't eat her chunks. FDR Raw Egg+Raw soup TOTAL Average 9/18/2015 AM 4.1 1.2 0.0 5.3 1.8 9/19/2015 AM 1.2 0.7 2.8 4.7 1.6 9/20/2015 AM 2.5 1.7 0.0 4.2 1.4 9/21/2015 AM 2.3 0.6 2.0 4.9 1.6 9/22/2015 AM 5.6 0 0.0 5.6 1.9 9/23/2015 AM 4.2 0 3.4 7.6 2.5 9/24/2015 AM 4.9 0 0.0 4.9 1.6 9/25/2015 AM 6.9 0 0.0 6.9 2.3 9/26/2015 AM 2.9 0 2.3 5.2 1.7 WeightsBeatrix1/18 1 lb 15.9 oz 1/25 2 lb 0 oz 2/1 2 lb 1.8 oz 2/8 2 lb 0.4 oz 2/18 2 lb 0.4 oz 3/1 2 lb 1.06 oz 3/8 2 lb 2.3 oz 3/15 2 lb 1.5 oz 3/22 2 lb 3.1 oz 3/28 2 lb 1.2 oz 4/5 2 lb .6 oz 4/12 2 lb 2.3 oz 4/19 2 lb 2.5 oz 4/26 2 lb 2.8 oz 5/3 2 lb 6.1 oz 5/10 2 lb 8.8 oz 5/17 2 lb 10.5 oz 5/23 2 lb 13.7 oz 6/8 2 lb 8.7 oz 6/14 2 lb 7.1 oz 6/21 2 lb 8.8 oz 6/27 2 lb 5.7 oz 7/5 2 lb 5.6 oz 7/12 1 lb 13.0 oz 7/19 2 lb 2.5 oz 7/26 2 lb 1.6 oz 8/1 2 lb 2 oz (Smokey passed at the end of this week. Watching for Bea's weight to drop.) 8/9 2 lb .09 oz 8/15 2 lb .04 oz 8/22 1 lb 14.4 oz 8/28 1 lb 14.4 oz 9/6 1 lb 15.3 oz 9/13 2 lb 9/27 2 lb 5.2 oz
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 13:08:08 GMT -5
Grrr, my table came out all squishy. I copy and pasted that from an excel document. it wasn't all squished together before I posted it. someone on the facebook page suggeted getting a google account and using google docs or something. I'll have to look into that. Sorry. All you need to know about the numbers above is that she's eating well, but mostly FDR. (she gained 5 oz this week
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Post by bitbyter on Oct 1, 2015 14:53:13 GMT -5
Are you still go forward for a full Frankenprey switch or are you happy with where she is (FDR and some frankenprey)?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 16:16:11 GMT -5
That's exactly what I was going to talk to you about when I posted next. Part of me really feels satisfied with where she's at given the fact that it seems really hard to get her to move forward without having FDR there at all times. I don't want to try to wait her out and not give her FDR in the hopes that she eats her raw chunks. I just don't think that's a safe option now that she has insulinoma. What are your thoughts? I feel a little sense of failure for not getting her the whole way to bone in meals and all that. But at the same time, I kind of feel like it would be difficult to safely push her forward with her tendency to wait me out on getting her FDR. What are your thoughts on that? Is it "bad" to have her on FDR as much as she is? If I stay where I'm at with a mix of FDR and raw soup (all things that she loves to eat and eats a lot of) I'll still track her daily intake amounts between the different types of food and try to have a decent amount of it be raw soup rather that FDR but again, if given the choice, she will always choose FDR. So her soup intake will be basically only when I hand feed it to her which I'm doing daily at least once. Thanks so much. I appreciate all your support along the way on this. Also, I'm not sure what will come of this but yesterday, Bea was in the vet's office so we could calibrate her meter (theirs read 75 so that's actually pretty good, I feel like.) and the vet stopped in to say hi. He wasn't even going to do an exam. But upon holding her and giving her a little rub down, he noticed her glands were swollen. He wants her back in a week and a half for biopsies.
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Post by bitbyter on Oct 30, 2015 13:13:31 GMT -5
Sorry I've taken so long to get back to you. I've been kind of avoiding this as I wasn't sure how I wanted to proceed.
Any news on the biopsies? If you are happy with where she is then we can consider her switched. Since she is only on complete FDR (it IS complete right?) and soup you'll have to brush her teeth regularly.
I'm not sure we can officially graduate considering where she is but I will confirm that with the other Admins first and let you know.
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