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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:03:03 GMT -5
The last meal that you posted was this:
They got a milky consistency unbalanced soup, attempted to blend pork skin and meat, pork liver and heart together, it was supposed to be balanced but this soup was not. I drained the chunks.
Roughly how much they ate each meal: AM- Caillou didn’t want to eat and I’m not sure if he did or not Marcie did not eat anything at all Juliet ate about 1 oz PM- They all ate 2 ounces of soup, about 1 spoonful left in each bowl maybe a little more.
They had hearts and Liver based on your post, and that can make for black tarry poops. Did it look more unusual than a regular organ poop? You aren't sure whether it was Juliet or Caillou? Keep an eye out and see if the same kind of poop happens again.
As for slivers, try to cut several really long and thin, super slim. Pick up Caillou and stand at the sink. Run a sliver under some warm water and offer it to him. Don't put him down until he takes it. He may drop it, but he has to take it. Then try Juliet. The hot water releases the smell and this always works when my Wynstan is reluctant. He's rarely reluctant to accept food now, but this worked great for us, during his switch. He's also not fond of beef and I sometimes do this with beef pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:14:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure what organ poops are supposed to look like. Haven't seen them poop again, I'm giving Juliet some canned pumpkin in a minute, she usually poops for often than Caillou. She is like 3-4 hours and Cai is like 6-7 hours. She's acting fine, she's always lethargic so it's a matter of if she is more lethargic than usual, which varies day to day with her.
Very excited right now, they are all three cuddled up together in Marcie's cage (dance) I put Jules and Cai in there so I could clean their cage, and they all just curled up on top of one another and went to sleep. Juliet doesn't even mind that Marcie was right on her. Yay! Although I would rather not open up the cage freely (both levels) because since there is no fabric, if I don't have something covering every single corner they won't use the litter box. And if there is no fabric they won't go to the bottom level to use it either. But Caillou has been in her cage with fabric for about an hour and hasn't chewed on anything, but he was chewing my carpet, my blanket and his carpet cat tower today, I had to put him up from playtime because he was being so difficult. He only has 1 dose left of his Baytril. Gums seem normal, I'll go compare his to Marcie's, Juliet's could be too pale for a good comparison because of her insu but Marc is healthy.
I'll try that tonight with the slivers, Juliet usually eats them fairly well in her soup if they're small enough. Caillou would rather starve, than eat slivers, and he makes that very clear. So I'll hand feed all of them tonight. Stef do you have any tips or places on finding cheap meat, pork/chicken? I get it at Walmart or Foodcity right now. Today I got 2.71 lbs of Pork loin (boneless, skinless) for $8.50. This only lasts about 4-5 days, more less. I always look for sales but they're mostly on pork chops or meat with thick skin or bone. The organs are not a problem with cost, my mom was VERY happy when I informed her the $6 was going to last several weeks or longer. She was not happy, when she found out $10 of meat lasts maybe half a week depending.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:51:30 GMT -5
Here in town, our Walmart meat prices are higher than our little Lafayette Home Town foods. I buy cornish game hens there, but that's it. Do you have a Piggly Wiggly? They have good prices on meats. They usually have a five for $25 package and you can pick and choose. You could get a package of chicken wings, ground beef, gizzards, pork chops and something else for that price and once you portion it out, it should hold you for awhile. Also, look in the mail for flyers. The local grocery stores will have their ads in those flyers and you can see who is offering the best prices for beef or chicken each week. Also, like I mentioned before, turkey will be going on sale soon. Last year, we saw prices anywhere around 49 cents a pound to 89 cents a pound. It will have to be cut up and portioned, but should last quite awhile. It's so sweet that they are all snuggled up together. Have you seen the Poop Chart: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/2469The best prices on meat is those that are less handled by the butcher. Boneless and skinless meats will always cost more. Since ferrets need fat, fatty meats are better and cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:22:04 GMT -5
I googled it but there is not a piggly wiggly around me. I'll definitely bulk buy when turkey gets cheap. I asked my aunt who buys and prints coupons offline, she won't buy ANYTHING unless it's either on sale or she has a coupon, she said there isn't a lot of coupons for meat but she'll look and for sales too.
It's Juliet who is pooping it, which worries me even more. She passed one just like it a few minutes ago, going by the poop chart it looks like the Jelly-like one and mucousy one but it's black, not dark brown, or at least it looks black, really black. But she ate the same soup this morning. OH and Marcie had the same exact poop, so that makes me feel better. Just a few minutes after Jules. Caillou hasn't pooped yet, I just let them all out to play. He was backing up getting ready to pee on my floor and I sprayed him with the water bottle, he did not take to it well, he started running and slid under the cage and licking the water off. He grabbed my rug and I looked at him and he let go... mhm...
I was going to give Juliet some canned pumpkin but someone *cough my mom* *cough* threw it out, so she's bringing some home in a little bit, she went out to pick up my niece. I looked at Caillou's gums and compared them to Marcie's and his look great, no inflammation or redness, nice and pink.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 2:33:12 GMT -5
Well, Caillou no longer cares about being prayed by water :face: he grabbed the corner of my rug and pulled it backwards trying to roll it up, and continued even having water sprayed at his face. He only stopped when I got up and went over to him then he tried to run away, he knows it's bad and he knows it's timeout time when he does bad things. Now Juliet is upset because he got her wet, and won't let him get near her. LOL.
And they were not happy about their soup (8 oz pork loin, 2 oz chicken thigh, pork heart, pork liver, pudding consistency) and really did not want it. I coaxed Caillou and Marcie with 2 drops of ferretone and they dug in and ate all but 1-2 spoonfuls. Juliet on the other hand, was not amused and did not care at all about her absolute favorite treat mixed in. I gave her canned pumpkin, I couldn't even get her to eat it by mixing ferretone with it so I mixed it in with her soup. After several minutes of her fighting to get away, I got her to start eating. I had to hold her and spoon feed her, not just hold the spoon, I had to hold it above her head where the soup literally just slid into her mouth. She ate about 1.7 oz more less (out of 2 oz) but not very willingly. She was the one that when I switched from chicken breast to chicken thigh she refused to eat for 2 days, so you could say she's the type that, likes her protein the way she likes her protein. I hand fed all 3 of them, Caillou ate a few slivers, I put approx. .2 oz of tiny chicken thigh slivers in each of their soups. Cai didn't eat very many, but a few. Juliet was the same, not many. Marcie ate every one happily, like usual, and also every drop of her soup.
Their log for the day (It may be in gibberish, writing this at 2:30am.. lol)
What they ate each meal: AM: Pork soup, watery PM: Balanced pork soup with 6 oz pork loin, 2 oz of chicken thigh, 2 oz of chicken liver and 1 oz of chicken heart at a pudding consistency.
Roughly how much they ate each meal: Caillou- 1.8 oz soup + .1 oz slivers Juliet- 1.7 oz soup + .1 oz slivers Marcie- 2.0 oz soup + .2 oz slivers
Any additional supplements: Caillou got .13 ml of Baytril 100 Juliet got .15 ml of pediapred
What their poops are like: Caillou- dark brown, normal Juliet- black, tarry, jello-like, slight green Marcie- light/dark brown, normal
What their energy is like: Caillou- playful today, feeling much better Juliet- sleepy today Marcie- crazy, as usual
Any additional info: Caillou will NOT STOP chewing my rug, I’ll probably just roll it up and take it out if he doesn’t stop. He grabs it and instead of chewing pulls it backwards sort of in an attempt to maybe hoard it? No longer responding to being sprayed with water.
Off to bed, gotta get up in 4 hours and get ready for church. May not be on much. I tried calling the Vets around here for a lupron shot for Jules but all but 2 of them were closed on Saturdays and the 2 I called didn't have them, of course. (headwall)
Have Caillou alone in his cage with a blanket covering his view, and Juliet and Marcie in the top with the fabric. After the 5th time of him going into timeout over my rug, I called a quits and he gets to sleep alone tonight in his empty plastic box, which is like every night except Juliet isn't there. Oh well, sucks for him. I'm tired and he's annoying so who won that battle, mom did. Lol. Night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 10:33:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry that I didn't check in yesterday. Paul's stepmother passed away. She had been battling pancreatic cancer. Paul's father died 34 years ago and we didn't talk to Ilene very often, but all the same, it was a sad day and Paul spent most of his time on the phone talking with other family. The scarey part is that Paul's mom also has pancreatic cancer and just like Ilene, she has been feeling good lately. Ilene had her cancer about six months before Paul's mom got her cancer. So, it's upset everyone.
That's great that Caillou's teeth and gums look better. I'd still like to see him eat a little better. Try spending some time and coaxing him some more. He may be a stubborn little fellow, but if you spend the time now, then once he is eating well, you won't need to hand feed him later.
Katt's idea about the water was a good one. Mine love water though, and they would think that is playtime.
Your Marcie is such a little character. She's just full of personality.
I wonder if Juliet's medicine makes her poops different. It doesn't sound like a blockage to me.
I hope your Halloween was fun. We were in town and saw all the children arrive on buses at the town square. All the merchants, the courthouse and companies were passing out candy. It was fun to watch. The we went to see "Before I sleep". That was an okay movie. We did watch Oculus and that was scarey good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 11:04:58 GMT -5
I just logged in to apologize, for not being on yesterday either. I'm so sorry about Paul's stepmother, and his mother. I've dealt with quite a bit of cancer in my family, 11 prope on my mom's side with it, and one of her aunts had pancreatic. It's a hard thing to go through, my dad had cancer 1-2 years ago, it was kidney and they removed it before it spread but nonetheless it's a hard thing. Take as much time as you need, the ferrest are doing fine other than driving momma crazy.
I should've offered them more food last night, they each got 2 oz but wanted more and I didn't thaw enough, but I thawed enough for brbreakfast this morning, and I have to make their soup tonight.
I think I may have noticed Caillou chewing more since being on chicken, I could be wrong but now he won't stop with my carpet and every time he sees or gets near fabric he would kill himself to be able to chew on it. But he does have good days and bad days, and he won't off his medicine the same day we stared chicken. He WAS getting better but I'm not so sure now.
I think Jules poops may be more normal now, I haven't really been home to see though. Do gastric ulcers cause black poops? Neichei had ulcers from taking Pred but she didn't have black poops though. I feed Juliet before giving it to her, I mix it with her food in a syringe. Although she is eating fine, I can't say acting normal because she's up and down all the time. my halloween I stayed at my grandpa's house and sewed a bedding set together. It took several hours, I messed the machine up like 4 times and when I was done I has tremendous pain in my back and shoulders but it tuturned out fairly good.. hehe I watched oculus with ny cousin a few months ago, she hahated it because her favorite actor, James Lafferty, died in it. LOL. It was kinda confusing but a good movie. My stomach definitely isn't happy about the candy for every meal and my body feels like it's going to fall apart, sugar kills me but it's so dang good :candycane:
My laptop is freezing up so I had to type this on my phone, gotta go feed the ferrets and return a call, I'll be back on later. Again I'm so sorry about Paul's stepmother. You know my grandfather passed a few weeks ago so I know how tough it is and so don't apologize for being there for your husband and his family. Tell him I send my deepest sympathy's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 11:11:04 GMT -5
Thanks for your kind words.
Ulcers can cause black tarry poops, but I didn't want to alarm you. Especially since I don't have any experience with that. Katt should be back and check in soon. Let's see what she says.
I just sewed ramp and shelf covers for Keller's cage, since she is still using it at night. I have a sewing machine but I don't know how to use it. So, I hand sewed everything. It looks so cute now and makes me want to do a few more things for it. I really need to learn to use a sewing machine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 15:08:03 GMT -5
We may have to get her on carafate and see. Although my vet is very against raw feeding and WILL tell me to stop feeding it which ny mother would be happ about, she thanks all their illnesses are coming from the raw feeding because once we started they all kind of started getting sick and she believes that its caused by the raw feeding.
Alfred all three of them four ounces of soup this morning for breakfast they all ate about 3 ounces I tried to get Juliet to eat more but she didn't want it and neither did Caillou or Marcie. So i left the leftovers in there and they'll probably go back and finish it in a few hours.
it took me hours to learn how to work the sewing machine, he has a good one and I always mess it up when I try to use it but after about messing up four times I figured it out and I was able sew all my stuff together within a couple hours. I did an entire cage set but it's only in Marcie's cage.
Katt, what do you think about Caillou's chewing and Juliets poops? I really hope it's not ulcers, Neichei's carafate was $30 a month, I really can't afford that but I guess I'll have to if she needs it, I did $250 a month with Neichei so I can do $30 a month with Jules.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 22:53:18 GMT -5
Okay, so I completely forgot about my menu and posting the weekly update, so I'm really sorry about that. I realized right after I fed them that I was supposed to weigh them, I can do it tomorrow evening before dinner but would it be O-K to say it was Saturday's weigh-in and pictures? I like keeping Saturday as my day because that's when they went off kibble. And I sat down with my mom and we made a menu. PHEW. I was so confused, I wanted to run and hide from myself, LOL! But- I don't think I did a total bang up job on it. I did it Monday-Sunday and I did BI CGH for every morning of the week, is that okay? I put Quail as another one because I found some in the back of my freezer and I had to lie and put Spleen (I don't have spleen) because I didn't have enough organs for a proper menu. I got confused as to how many meals of hearts they need and how many organ meals? Here it is and you guys can correct it- Monday: AM: Bone-In CGH + Pork Liver+Spleen PM: Bone-In Quail + 1.5 meal chicken hearts Tuesday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Lamb (Muscle Meat) Wednesday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Bone-In Quail Thursday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Pork Spleen (Organ Meal) Friday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Pork Sirloin (Muscle Meat) Saturday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Pork Heart (Muscle Meat) Sunday: AM: Bone-In CGH PM: Chicken Thigh (Muscle Meat) I did it assuming they all ate the same thing, is that alright? It was way more confusing to me than I thought it was going to be, but that's what you guys are here for Caillou had a HORRIBLE day yesterday with chewing, but he hasn't put his mouth on anything today, at all. He's so weird. Juliet had a poop that worried me a little, it was on my floor (naughty girl!) and so I could see it better than when in the litter box. It was small, runny, light brown and when I looked closer it seemed to possibly have a little bit of blood.. uh oh. I could be wrong, but it seemed kinda light red-ish mostly when I wiped it up with the paper towel. I'll monitor her and see, she's acting normal I guess, normal isn't really possible with Juliet, she's always up and down. She just slept all day but I haven't been home to watch them a lot or let them out, I went out with my friend for a few hours for a MUCH needed break from the house and the pets. Of course I came home to a huge mess, I mean, could it be any other way? And when I was making the ferts soup my sister came to me and asked, "Hey Emily, what's wrong with Marcie's eye, she won't open it?" I was more worried about Vet bills than her, and I wish I wasn't. But she just had litter in her eye, she was digging in her box and sticks her head in it, she's fine now and her eyes were open and fine when I saw her. Such a relief to me, I didn't want her to be sick and I didn't want to have to explain to my mom that she needed to go to the Vet either. Anyways, for their soup I did 6 oz pork and 2 oz chicken again. And I added .4 oz of chicken slivers, none of them were happy about it, I offered them 3 oz and instead of bagging the soup in 2 oz amounts I did 3 oz so they could eat more, but they usually eat 2.0 to 2.5 oz when I offer them 3+ oz. or they did this time. They ate maybe .2 oz of the slivers, so about half, they were maybe 2 times the size of nail crescent slivers, Marcie's were 3 times the size of them, so a little bigger, and she would NOT eat them unless I held her and when she got them in her mouth she would try and run to hide them so I had to hold her and make her swallow them, and she still spit most of them out. Here is their log for the day- What they ate each meal: AM: Pork soup, creamy-soupy consistency PM: Pork soup (6.oz pork 2.0 oz chicken thigh), thick pudding consistency + .4 oz of chicken thigh slivers 2-3 times size of nail crescent slivers Roughly how much they ate each meal: Caillou- 2.0 oz AM – 2.5 oz PM Juliet- 2.0 oz AM – 2.0 oz PM Marcie- 2.0 oz AM – 2.5 oz PM Any additional supplements: Juliet - .15 ml pediapred What their poops are like: Caillou- dark brown, a bit loose off and on Juliet- black and tarry then light brown and possibly with a little blood, a little runny Marcie- small, light brown, a tad loose What their energy is like: Caillou- Playful today, no chewing. Juliet- Slept all day Marcie- Insane like normal Okay, phew, what a day. I have a chiropractor app. in the morning (9am) and getting acupuncture for the first time, not really nervous or care all that much, I'll do ANYTHING to feel better, even if it means feeling pain in the process (I don't even know if acupuncture hurts? Eh). And then have to make their soup again tomorrow night, at 3 oz instead of 2 oz it's not lasting very long, only enough for 2 meals for all of them when I use 1 pound of meat. It's Six 3 oz portions that lasts 1 day. Gotta go put the ferts to bed, probably will have to let Marcie play a little longer. Oh and GREAT news! Marcie and Juliet love each other. They don't play a lot, but Juliet doesn't play very much at all so the facts she's played with her a few times is crazy. But, they cuddle together all the time. Like when it's mine and Caillou's special cuddling/bonding/play time I let Jules in with Marcie in Marcie's cage and they snuggle right up together, and all 3 of them will lay all over each other and cuddle too. Juliet loves her and loves cuddling with her, in the hammock, in the blankets, the sleep sack. Tonight I saw Marcie laying over Juliet and they were sleeping, so cute! Juliet likes to groom her too. Oh and one more question, Caillou is I think trying to take dominance over Marcie, for like 20 minutes during play time he would (off and on) grab Marcie by the scurff and hold her there and lay on top of her or just hold her neck, like for 1-2 minutes even, and then he would drag her all the way across my room and they would be hissing back and forth. She would squirm and get away and he would chase her and do it again, he did this 5-6 times. Should I allow the grabbing and dragging? I don't remember what he did with Jules, they met over a year ago and were cuddling on the first day. Okay done with this massive post (sorry!) and going to prowl around on here and the FB page a little while the ferts play.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 11:51:21 GMT -5
Good Morning I'll tackle the easy questions first: (I don't even know if acupuncture hurts? Eh)No, it doesn't hurt at all. Everyone is different, but I've never known anyone who thought it hurt and that includes my husband, who can be a baby about needles. It's a little strange to look at yourself with all those needles, but it shouldn't hurt you. Oh and GREAT news! Marcie and Juliet love each other.That's so wonderful. I think Juliet must love being a Mom, and I'm sure that Marcie thinks of her as a fur Mom and you are her skin Mom. and then he would drag her all the way across my roomNormal dominance play. Caillou is having fun with his new toy and wants to make sure that she knows that she has to play his games first. You'll know if she is frightened, she'll bottle brush and run and hide. On to the Ferret talk: Caillou- 2.0 oz AM – 2.5 oz PM Juliet- 2.0 oz AM – 2.0 oz PM Marcie- 2.0 oz AM – 2.5 oz PM
Everyone ate well. I'm happy that Caillou ate so well and really thrilled that Juliet ate 4oz. Good for her. Little Marcie always seem to eat well. She may be a big girl. Juliet had a poop that worried me a little, it was on my floor (naughty girl!) and so I could see it better than when in the litter box. It was small, runny, light brown and when I looked closer it seemed to possibly have a little bit of blood..
Keep an eye on her. As I understand, blood doesn't show up in poop, looking like blood. It's a little darker. Katt may need to address this. Given Juliet's health issues, keep an eye on her poop and post us about the next few poops. Overall your menu looks good. We need to tweak it a tiny bit. You should have: One Organ meal that is Liver plus another Organ. Spleen, kidney, thymus, pancreas, brains. One Organ meal is Liver plus another Organ plus a half meal of Heart. One meal of Heart. The idea is that ten percent of their total intake is Organ: Liver plus another Organ Ten percent is Heart. Remember, Heart is not an Organ, but a muscle meat. Also, you want one meal of red meat. Red Meat like beef or lamb is high in Iron and Vitamin B. You did well though, 9 meals of Bone In and 4 muscle meats. And a nice variety of proteins. Very Good for your first menu. We have to go into Nashville today to see Paul's cardiologist. I'll check in again, after we get home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 13:22:11 GMT -5
Got back from the chiro. a few hours ago, it pricked a little and he had to take 2 needles out and re-place them because they stung, but overall it was fine, I didn't feel much different, my pain is deep in my muscles and my muscle therapist Dan has to continue to do frequent treatments to loosen my muscles up before he can get that far down. I'm going to Dan next week he helps A LOT with my pain. Chiro. wants me to pretty much stop eating bread, flour, fruit, sugar, and dairy. Really. He thinks it has something to do with a certain food, he told me there are certain triggers for a lot of people and to look for mine and I had to explain that I already knew, mine is sugar/carbs. If I eat pasta or candy one day, the next day I can barely get out of bed, he was AMAZED at the fact that I had such a tremendous amount of pain for a person of my age and that I had so much pain that I could tell what he triggers were. My moms doctor told me to come in as soon as I turn 18yrs so she can diagnose me and give me medicine, she knows I have fibro but you can't legally be diagnosed until 18. The ferrets seem to do okay with 3 oz twice a day, they only ate 1-2 oz this morning, I didn't have time to hand feed, almost didn't have time to even put the food in there but I was late trying to make sure I put the plates in and sat them and got them started on eating, little rascals will not touch their food unless I hold them and hold a spoon up to their face and get about 1-2 spoonfuls in then they'll usually eat most on their own. I hate wasting so much food, I mean there is altogether probably 4 oz wasted, and they got litter in it so I can try to scoop it out but they usually don't want it unless it's fresh. Okay so 2 liver meals, 2 other organ meals, and 1 meal of hearts and a half a meal of hearts? Would a half a meal of hearts count as 1 muscle meat meal or is a half a meal of hearts and half of another muscle meal? My mother did not understand anything I was talking about, LOL. I had to explain what Bone In was, muscle meat, organ (secreting) and etc etc. I've been reading it over and over for months and still haven't completely figured it out, but I'm trying! For the red meat on there I did Lamb for a PM meal on Tuesday, is it only once a week, is it bad to have it more? Just curious. And do I need a Bone-In for every day? I figured if I had a BI with the organ meals their poops wouldn't be that runny, or am I supposed to have one day dedicated to organs? I think I'm going to start bagging their food in 2.5 oz portions, because I don't think they have ever eaten 5 oz of soup before, and 2 meals of 2.5 oz would be 5 oz so if they're averaging 3-4 oz a day, then they still have at the least 0.5 oz to snack on but more likely 1 oz, is that okay? I gotta let the ferrets out before they go crazy, I just got home about 30 mins ago and ate lunch and they haven't been out, they didn't eat a lot either... ugh, I'll offer them what they didn't eat and see if they'll take it with me hand feeding. I hope it goes well for Paul, and I'll be off and on the rest of the day, no plans just play with my niece, play with the ferrets, do school work, clean, make their soup tonight, again.. (Okay, now I want to crawl in a hole and hide from all the stuff I gotta do...LOL) :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 20:51:21 GMT -5
I'm just walking in the door also. Everyone wants attention and I need to get their breakfast out and a few other small chores. I'll post in the morning, which is better since I'm tired and ready to call it a day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 22:14:13 GMT -5
These ferrets (and preservatives) are gonna be the end of me. Tonight, no, tonight, was awful. Shortly after I got home I had to drive 45 minutes with my grandpa, mom, grandma, and my 2 little brothers to pick up some furniture, and 45 mins back. Haul it out of their house and into the trucks, and then drive home and haul it 4 staircases up (2 end tables, 1 coffee table, 1 BIG couch, 1 loveseat, and a chair) into our house. Having a little bit of an asthma attack I sat down for 5 mins until I realized I have to go buy meat, so I head to foodcity and take Caillou with me, he poops in the car.. gr. But he head inside, I had to buy pork ($9.66 for 4.50 lbs of pork sirloin, idk if that's a good price) and also there is discounted beef so we got 2 of that. Headed home and came to a completely filthy room. Ferrets had dug the litter out of the boxes, the dirt litter, they got litter in their food, in their water bowls, and all over them. So I start cleaning. I take the fabric out and open up both the levels freely, so they share a cage now. I cleaned everything including my room, took about an hour, then I let them out to play. OH NO. Marcie and Caillou made a MESS. They were chewing on *EVERYTHING* and I endured the toe bitings and the attempted rubber chewing and the carpet chewing and the blanket chewing and the toy chewing and packing peanut chewing for about 45 mins and then when Caillou wouldn't stop with my rug I put them up. And endured a good 15-20 mins of tantrums from them, digging in the litter box, moving the boxes and toys around, then they got into a fight and then they cuddled up and went to sleep. Completely, and utterly exhausted, I realized I still had to weigh, take pictures, clip nails and clean ears of all three of them, and then thaw my heart and liver, wash the dishes and counters, weigh and re-bag all the meat, blend it up, label, weigh and portion it into bags, then get their food, give Juliet her medicine (she HATES it) hand feed her for about 20 mins, then hand feed Caillou for 20 mins, then hand feed Marcie for 20 mins, THEN clean ALL of that up, wash the dishes, freeze the soup, etc, then shower because I've been moving dirty furniture all day, then sit down for the first time in like 18 hours, and fill out their daily log and post it and blah blah the rest is gonna fry my brain. I still have to do my school work, and give my dog a bath because he got into the trashcan and have to blow dry him which takes a good 30 mins. (whispers, *help me*). Then MAYBE, just MAYBE, I can attempt to sleep, which I haven't done in over a week for more than 3-4 hours. I think I might be going just a teeny bit insane BUT.... But.... but.... I have no upside. Did I mentioned when I went to get the meat, I needed more chicken thigh, and they didn't have any!?!?!?!?!? UGH. So it will be just pork tonight, which katt I think you're right about the chicken allergy, his gumline is inflamed again and he will.not.stop.chewing. I'm typically good with stress but definitely not lately. My mother keeps asking, like 4 times a day, what I want for Christmas. I'm afraid to say I want to keep Marcie, as my present, because I'm afraid she will say no. I don't know... I wanted another FN to attach to mine, but honestly I might just use the money to get Juliet's Deslorelin implant. I am so sick and tired of watching her deteriorate because I'm poor and can't afford $200 out of pocket to give her several more months or even years. Poor little Jules is having trouble, she can't climb very well anymore, no noticeable hind leg weakness but it's hard for her to pull herself up on the cage shelf or out of her box she sleeps in, she can, but she struggles a little and I find myself helping her out a lot. And her vulva keeps getting stuff stuck on the outer part, and I have to get a wash cloth every day or twice a day and get it off, I think it's her litter... I'm afraid if I buy puppy pads Caillou or Marcie will chew them up, but I can't separate them, Juliet vomits and gets very depressed when she is separated from Cai. Oh well, I gotta go make their food and all that other stuff, I'll try and remember to post their log and pictures and weights later.
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Post by katt on Nov 4, 2014 22:35:09 GMT -5
Okay sorry guys a friend is going through a bit of a crisis so I've been mostly dealing with that all day yesterday and today. :/ Trying to get through as many of these posts as I can.
The ferrets seem to do okay with 3 oz twice a day, they only ate 1-2 oz this morning, I didn't have time to hand feed, almost didn't have time to even put the food in there but I was late trying to make sure I put the plates in and sat them and got them started on eating, little rascals will not touch their food unless I hold them and hold a spoon up to their face and get about 1-2 spoonfuls in then they'll usually eat most on their own. I hate wasting so much food, I mean there is altogether probably 4 oz wasted, and they got litter in it so I can try to scoop it out but they usually don't want it unless it's fresh.
They don't have to have meals only in the am and pm. What if you prepped 2 meals, but kept half of the am meal in the fridge, and hand fed in the afternoon? Would that be any easier? They can make progress without hand feeding but it will be a lot slower. Hand feeding is definitely pretty crucial in moving them along at a better pace...
Okay so 2 liver meals, 2 other organ meals, and 1 meal of hearts and a half a meal of hearts? Would a half a meal of hearts count as 1 muscle meat meal or is a half a meal of hearts and half of another muscle meal?
Not quite. 1.5 meals organ, 1.5 meals heart. So 3 meals total. The organ should be at least half liver, half other organs. So for example you could do one meal liver, one meal heart, one meal half heart and half other organ. Make sense?
My mother did not understand anything I was talking about, LOL. I had to explain what Bone In was, muscle meat, organ (secreting) and etc etc. I've been reading it over and over for months and still haven't completely figured it out, but I'm trying!
lol Maybe print the sample menu from the FB files for her?
For the red meat on there I did Lamb for a PM meal on Tuesday, is it only once a week, is it bad to have it more? Just curious. And do I need a Bone-In for every day? I figured if I had a BI with the organ meals their poops wouldn't be that runny, or am I supposed to have one day dedicated to organs?
Bone-in should be 7-9 meals a week, so it works out to almost every day. I definitely advise following organ and heart meals with a bone-in meal to re-firm up poops. Mixed meals is not recommended for multiple ferret businesses because then you have no way to monitor who is eating what. What if Caillou hates liver and eats around it and never gets any while the other 2 get more than their share? Or what if Juliet LOVES hearts and gobbles them down before the other two get any? The meals have to be separated to ensure that they all stay balaned. :)c
I think I'm going to start bagging their food in 2.5 oz portions, because I don't think they have ever eaten 5 oz of soup before, and 2 meals of 2.5 oz would be 5 oz so if they're averaging 3-4 oz a day, then they still have at the least 0.5 oz to snack on but more likely 1 oz, is that okay?
Sounds good to me. If you find you are coming home and the food is all gone and they are hungry, you can always up the amount again.
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