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Post by Heather on Jan 15, 2014 23:13:48 GMT -5
Name Leah DelTedesco HF Forum Username MissDuzell 1. Where did you first learn about natural diets for ferrets? my mother. 2. Please describe the type of diet you would like assistance in switching your ferret(s) to. Be sure to include if you are interested in feeding whole prey (live or frozen-thawed) and if you are wanting to FULLY switch to a natural diet or PARTIALLY. If you are unsure what kind of diet you want to put your ferrets on, please express that and we can help you find the best type of natural diet for your ferret. Franken prey if possible. i would like to stay away from whole prey if possible. 3. Why are you interested in switching your ferrets to a natural diet? i have learned how unhealthy kibble is for them and that they cause alot of problems in ferrets that can possibly be avoided when fed a raw diet.also i just want whats best for them and what will make my babies happier/ healthier. 4. Do you understand that switching your ferret to a natural diet can be a lengthy, arduous process? Its not an overnight switch. It can be a commitment of several weeks or even months. Your HF Mentor will be more then happy to assist you in switchng your ferret(s) to a natural diet, but you need to be equally as commited. If you aren't willing to tough out a potentially lengthy switching process, or if you have major life changes approaching (baby on the way, moving, starting school, getting married/divorced, etc) then it might be a better idea to wait on switching your ferret's diet until you have more time. Are you willing to make the commitment? i am willing to commit and stick to this 100%. i do not have a job at the moment and am always home. so i have all the time needed to help my fuzzies go raw. 5. How many ferrets do you currently have? What are their names? Ages? Genders? Do they have any health problems? Are they overweight? Underweight? How long have you had each ferret for? i have 3 ferrets right now. *sadie female 1 1/2 year old (i adopted her and that is the age i was told) no health problems normal weight i think about 5 months *angel female 3-4 years old (unsure i adopted her off craigslist and they said they were unsure her age but thought she was 1-2) no health problems a little under weight (but gaining fast) about 2 years *gizzmo female no health problems normal weight i think 2-3 years old (unsure i adopted her off craigslist and they said they were unsure her age but thought she was about 1) about 2 years 6. What diet do you currently feed your ferrets? (Please include all treats, supplements, etc) Kibble mixture of: * EVO Dry Ferret Food * ZuPreem Grain-Free Ferret Food * 8 in 1 Ultimate Ferret Diet Crunchy Treats * EVO/fish oil mix (my mom told me it was better then the FerreTone) Health * Marshall Ferret Lax Hairball Treatment (when i hear them cough) 7. Have you ever tried to switch your ferrets to a natural diet in the past? If yes, what happened? no i have never tried. 8. What additional information about yourself or your ferrets would you like to share? no clue lol. if any other info is needed just ask me and i will gladly let you know 9. How often during the week do you have access to a computer? everyday 10. Please post a picture of each of your ferrets (if possible). i have a pic of all 3 my ferrets in my signature will that do for now? 11. Have you met the requirements for this program? Do you have your scale, a place to access meats, hearts, livers, etc? i have my moms scale at the moment mine is in storage. but yes i do. i also have a place to get all the meats, hearts, livers, ect. Hi and welcome to the mentoring program (wave) . In a little while your mentor (Hurricanekatt) will introduce herself and you can get started on a new adventure in natural ferret care and diets. Please remember to post regularly (daily or as per arranged with your mentor) so that your mentor can assist you move along safely in this adventure. If you experience computer difficulties or are going to be away, please notify your mentor and most of all relax and have fun (dance) . Your mentor is here to help you on this journey. ciao
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Post by katt on Jan 15, 2014 23:40:13 GMT -5
Location: Anchorage, Alaska I became a mentor because... I really like helping people (hence the whole becoming a doctor thing) and animals. I am a strong supporter of a natural diet and probably bore most people that I meet to death ranting about raw diet and why it is the best way to go…this way I can rant to someone who actually cares! About My Ferrets: Koda – male, Real Canadian, I got him when he was about 8 weeks old when I bought him in December 2009, Sable. I gave him raw the second he came home and he immediately ripped into it and started hissing to keep me away from his tasty prize! Neither of us has ever looked back. He is a real trouble maker and is pretty well known around the forums as such. He is my first ferret and he has forced me to learn and learn FAST! He has managed to eat several foreign objects, and is constantly finding new trouble to get into (his nose has a rubber detector in it). He had to have an emergency blockage surgery, which (we believe) ended up being the catalyst that resulted in his IBD. He loves digging the carpet up, or more recently chewing it, has a very serious oral fixation (if his mouth can stretch wide enough for his teeth to touch it – he will chew it), he will rearrange the room to reach things, has learned how to levitate, and is an all around little monster. He is also very strongly bonded to my boyfriend and I, and can be a huge love bug. When the endless energy is finally burned off, he will curl up in our laps, give us kisses, and fall asleep. As you can tell, I have this problem where I can’t stop talking about him or taking pictures of him… He has IBD which we struggled to get control of (and finally succeeded!) with diet. He has recently had a second blockage surgery, and this week he will be getting his second Des implant for juvenile adrenal. He's been a handful, that's for sure! Kneai: male, Silver/Black Roan Mitt. I brought Kenai home towards the end of November 2010 when he was about 7-8 weeks old. He is also eating 100% raw diet, whole prey, frankenprey, meaty bones you name it! He was a tiny little bag of bones when I brought him home, but he eats like a pig and grows like a weed! He is now huge and rolly-polly! definitely a little porker - he can barely make it out of his rice box because he is so bottom heavy. lmao He finally started shedding some fur and a little winter weight and is slimming up, but he is still a clumsy critter. haha He loves, LOVES toys and is a loveable, goofy little guy and has been helping to keep Koda company and burn off each others energy! He's definitely a little spaz - I thought Koda was until I got Kenai! He's a bit of a simpleton. He has trouble finding the potty box a lot, and he doesn’t learn very fast. He also is much less physically adept at things – he has trouble climbing and getting into/onto/out of things. He is sloooowly figuring out how to control his floppy body, but he definitely has some developmental delays. But, we love him just the same. About My Natural Feeding Experience: I've been feeding raw since December 2009 when I brought Koda home, but I had started researching a few months prior to that. Thanks to this forum, I was ready for a fuzzball to come home with my freezer stocked with meats! I gave him a raw chicken wing his first night home and that was the end of that! My boys are fed frankenprey, f/t rodents, and live prey. I have been reading and learning since before I brought Koda home and learned a lot from the people here on the forum. I am always on the forum, and various websites trying to learn more about ferrets in general, and especially raw diet. My boys are healthy, energetic, have super soft fur, and smell so good that people regularly comment, asking me what perfume or spray I sprayed them (esp Koda) with! I love telling them: Thanks to a raw diet - he just smells that good naturally! When Kenai first came home he had been eating Marshall's kibble and his poops were HUGE and smelled...awful doesn't even come close to describing it! Now he smells much better and his scraggly coat has been replaced by a luxurious pile of fur. Type of Mentor: Full switches only! I feed a frankenprey and whole prey diet - raw meats, bone-in meats, ground meats, frozen/thawed rodents, live prey, and occasionally freeze dried raw and commercially ground raw. I have never fed kibble so I can’t help with picking a good kibble. I absolutely do NOT do partial switches. My Specialty: Trouble makers! Especially only ferrets, and kits. I focus on full switches to raw – no more kibble!
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Post by katt on Jan 15, 2014 23:40:53 GMT -5
Glad to be working with you and your ferrets! Let's start with a description of your diet. What are you currently feeding your ferrets, and what is your feeding schedule like? (The more detail the better). Once we have a better idea of where they are, we will take it from there. I know a little from your post in the other thread, but I want to make sure I'm all up to date.
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Post by katt on Jan 17, 2014 12:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 22:16:43 GMT -5
I am so sorry I was not trying to ignore you I was just totally unaware that I had been assigned a mentor yet. I have been so excited that I was looking everyday. but nothing ever popped up. then today my mom went on the application thread and was like "your application is missing". I am happy to have you here to help me with my little slinky cats. i am a bit of a nut when it comes to my ferrets and love to talk about them too. i want to be an exotic animal vet (i am a vet tech right now) so i normally love to talk about animals lol. that's why i joined the forum originally lol. i thought it would be cool to not seem like a crazy ferret person
anyways I think what I had posted was for the 1st couple days I started the raw feedings.my mom has just graduated and been helping me start that way I could get the ball rolling.
oh i should add that Sadie is separate from gizmo and angel cuz she is mean to them. but angel and gizmo are in the same cage.
Sadie- she is eating a thick meat soup (made of chicken breast, turkey hearts, and chicken livers)mixed with chicken breast slivers, and chicken necks (i think they have bone in them) she is 100% off the kibble now and i leave a plate in her cage so she can free eat the meat. i check it all the time and when its empty i wash the plate and give her more. i always find the plate flipped over cuz its empty. i have noticed her drinking has decreased and she dose not poo as much but boy dose she pee a lot. she has been taking to the switch GREAT! really she has been eating about any meat i put in front of her. i haven't weighed her in like a week i think i need
Gizzmo- she is still just eating the soup mix but its the same thickness butt Sadie now. i feed her 1 oz in the morning before play and 1 oz before i put her in the cage to sleep. she was a little drama queen at 1st spitting it at me and acting like i was trying to kill her but she has calmed down. she has been eating her whole oz with no problem or scruffing for the past 2 days now. she still eats kibble but not as much anymore. i have not tried leaving a plate in the cage yet to see if she would free feed yet.
Angel- she is my pain in the butt. she has been kinda slow on the uptake. but i have been doing the same thing with her as i have been with gizzmo. she eats an oz in the morning and at night. still on kibble. the past couple days she has been eating the whole oz with no scruff or problems. she is also on the thick soup mix.
i hope this is enough info to help you get an idea of where i am at :3
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Post by katt on Jan 18, 2014 6:09:42 GMT -5
I am so sorry I was not trying to ignore you I was just totally unaware that I had been assigned a mentor yet. I have been so excited that I was looking everyday. but nothing ever popped up. then today my mom went on the application thread and was like "your application is missing".No worries, I was going to send you a PM today if you hadn't noticed yet. I am happy to have you here to help me with my little slinky cats. i am a bit of a nut when it comes to my ferrets and love to talk about them too. i want to be an exotic animal vet (i am a vet tech right now) so i normally love to talk about animals lol. that's why i joined the forum originally lol. i thought it would be cool to not seem like a crazy ferret person That's great! You should definitely pursue your dream! Goodness knows we need more pro-raw vets out there! I am in medical school (for humans) right now and I can tell you it is a long hard road, but VERY worth it. anyways I think what I had posted was for the 1st couple days I started the raw feedings.my mom has just graduated and been helping me start that way I could get the ball rolling.
oh i should add that Sadie is separate from gizmo and angel cuz she is mean to them. but angel and gizmo are in the same cage.Good to know. Sadie- she is eating a thick meat soup (made of chicken breast, turkey hearts, and chicken livers)mixed with chicken breast slivers, and chicken necks (i think they have bone in them) she is 100% off the kibble now and i leave a plate in her cage so she can free eat the meat. i check it all the time and when its empty i wash the plate and give her more. i always find the plate flipped over cuz its empty. i have noticed her drinking has decreased and she dose not poo as much but boy dose she pee a lot. she has been taking to the switch GREAT! really she has been eating about any meat i put in front of her. i haven't weighed her in like a week i think i need That is great! If she is finishing her food, give her bigger meals. It takes some adjusting to get the right balance and it will change too. They eat a LOT to start, but will slow down once they've made up for all of the nutrients they weren't getting on kibble. haha The rule of thumb for feeding amounts is to always give enough that there's 1-2 bites left. Then there is minimal waste, but you also know they got their fill. Unless you have a ferret with an overeating problem (rare in raw fed animals, but certainly not unheard of), they should have access to as much food as they want and will eat. Are the chicken necks chopped up? If so, about how big are the chunks of meat, and the chunks of bone? Or is it ground? If you can get a picture that would be helpful too. For her depending on the size of food she is eating right now, we will probably just start by increasing her chunk size gradually. You said she will eat any meat you put in front of her - what meats have you tried besides chicken? Gizzmo- she is still just eating the soup mix but its the same thickness butt Sadie now. i feed her 1 oz in the morning before play and 1 oz before i put her in the cage to sleep. she was a little drama queen at 1st spitting it at me and acting like i was trying to kill her but she has calmed down. she has been eating her whole oz with no problem or scruffing for the past 2 days now. she still eats kibble but not as much anymore. i have not tried leaving a plate in the cage yet to see if she would free feed yet. Angel- she is my pain in the butt. she has been kinda slow on the uptake. but i have been doing the same thing with her as i have been with gizzmo. she eats an oz in the morning and at night. still on kibble. the past couple days she has been eating the whole oz with no scruff or problems. she is also on the thick soup mix.
Okay for these two I would like you to try a different approach. I'm not sure if you read my post before your threads was moved or not, but I'll just repeat the info here just in case. Remove the kibble. Soak some kibble in warm water to soften it (so your blender doesn't explode, and so it soupifies well). Add a little more water and blend it into a kibble soup of about the same thickness of the raw soup that Angel will eat, or even a little thinner (since she is your limiting factor right now). Add some of the raw soup to the kibble soup. Start with a little and increase it until you find the ratio of kibble soup:raw soup that both Angel and Gizzmo will WILLINGLY eat. This is what you should leave in their cage - make sure to monitor and ensure they are still eating. When the kibble and raw are blended together in soup form it should not cause any stomach upset. Basically by continuing to offer kibble you are teaching them that if they just hold out long enough, mom will eventually give them their precious kibbles back. Ferrets are very good at training us. The soup will go old, so you will need to put out a new batch every 6-8 hours or so. So about 3, maybe 4 times a day. (It will be fine overnight, just give new soup in the am). You will then gradually increase the amount of raw soup and decrease the amount of kibble soup in their soupies until they are eating completely raw soup. From there we will work on chunks and such. Not sure if you are already doing this or not, but it will make your job a lot easier of you make a nice big batch of soup and freeze it in ice cube trays (you can take the cubes out when frozen and store them in ziplock bags in the freezer. Then instead of making new soup every day, you can just thaw out some cubes. I am not entirely sure if this works well with kibble soup, but it works great for the raw soup. And hopefully you won't have to be adding the kibble soup in for too long anyways. i hope this is enough info to help you get an idea of where i am at :3Yep! Perfect.
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Post by katt on Jan 19, 2014 1:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by katt on Jan 19, 2014 17:41:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 1:16:46 GMT -5
yeah thats how mom showed me to make it. all at once, then oil the ice cube trays, freeze them, and then bag them up.
so I weighted my babies yesterday
Sadie is -1.82 lbs she is still doing great. I accidently gave her some in bone chicken chunks instead of chicken necks and she like ate it all. I was so happy and shocked. I mean it was still mixed with the soup and smaller chicken slivers. but she has been chowing down. she dose great with the eating. I just wish I could get her to be nice to the other ferrets.
gizmo is- 1.83 lbs she is still eating great. leave the soup/kibble mix in the cage with no kibble anymore. twice a day while they are out playing I try and her an oz of the thick soup without kibble. she eats it all up really well.
angel is- 1.83 as well. she is doing the same thing as gizmo. though this afternoon I accidently left meat soup without kibble in the cage. I already had frozen cubes of the soup mix so I have been soaking the kibble and mushing it then mixing it in. but her and angel ate it up. I was surprised. I went back in to grab the plate to add the kibble and they were both chowing down. so I just left it.
other then that I did give them a little salmon oil. and have been putting vitamin e oil on gizmos and angels pads. for some reason they are kinda dry. I wonder if it is because of the weather or something. I had to wash them last night too. they had gotten into something and were dirty dirty. I normally never wash them but they really needed it. everyone's poop looks good still and as for their energy levels well. gizmo is the same always bizzy bodying around. angel ha been a bit more active and has actually been playing. which is odd she hasn't wanted to play sense her little mate JJ passed. so its good to see her up and doing more then just wondering around. Sadie gets her play time in the play pen but can see the others and sniff at them threw the bars. she just walks around dooking and plays with me but she is about the same as well. I feel kinda bad for her. I cant be as fun to play with as another ferret. I also have a weird question. I leave paper under and around sadies litter box. sometimes she dosent always want to use it. but sometimes she ripps it up and pulls in into her blakets and makes like this nest thing to sleep in. do ferrets normally do things like that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 14:18:13 GMT -5
I forgot to say. Sadie has tried ground turkey with egg and Cornish game hen. also my chicken necks are blended in a blender. the slivers of meat are like the size of my pinky nail. but she has eaten bigger slivers to chunks and eats everything. sorry I wrote this so late last night I forgot to answer your questions.
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Post by katt on Jan 20, 2014 18:09:07 GMT -5
Sadie is -1.82 lbs she is still doing great. I accidently gave her some in bone chicken chunks instead of chicken necks and she like ate it all. I was so happy and shocked. I mean it was still mixed with the soup and smaller chicken slivers. but she has been chowing down. she dose great with the eating. I just wish I could get her to be nice to the other ferrets.That is great! Keep giving her bones and chunks then, and start working on slowly increasing the size of the chunks/bones while decreasing the amount of soup. gizmo is- 1.83 lbs she is still eating great. leave the soup/kibble mix in the cage with no kibble anymore. twice a day while they are out playing I try and her an oz of the thick soup without kibble. she eats it all up really well.
angel is- 1.83 as well. she is doing the same thing as gizmo. though this afternoon I accidently left meat soup without kibble in the cage. I already had frozen cubes of the soup mix so I have been soaking the kibble and mushing it then mixing it in. but her and angel ate it up. I was surprised. I went back in to grab the plate to add the kibble and they were both chowing down. so I just left it.That is fantastic! If they are eating the raw soup without kibble, then stop giving kibble entirely. It is no longer needed in any shape or form. Now we start moving towards chunks. Continue feeding the soup, and start making the soup gradually thicker and start mixing in little Slivers of meat. Start with just a few tiny (tip of your fingernail crescent sized) bits, and when they eat those gradually increase the meat slivers in both size and number. Try some slivers (3-5) in the soup today and let me know how they do. other then that I did give them a little salmon oil. and have been putting vitamin e oil on gizmos and angels pads. for some reason they are kinda dry. I wonder if it is because of the weather or something. Salmon oil is good, I'd avoid the Vitamin E oil though. They should get all of the vitamins they need from their food and you don't want to overdose them - which IS possible in fat soluble vitamins as they are typically not filtered out through the urine. Salmon oil should be just fine for their skin and coats, you can add a little Extra Virgin Olive Oil too. They will go through a detox phase during the early stages of the switch, which might contribute to some extra itchiness. Their fur and coats should become much less dry after a while on raw though as they will be better hydrated and be getting better nutrition. Ferrets will always be itchy little creatures no matter what you do though. haha We are also nearing spring, so they could be getting ready to shed. Koda's fur is really dry right now too, but it's also very dry where I live. Kenai is already blowing his coat for the spring. (I hope that means an early spring this year! lol) For giving oil, they generally shouldn't receive more than 1 tsp per ferret every 3 days. Any more than that and they will get really slimy poops. You can go up to every other day IF it doesn't give them diarrhea/soft stools during shedding season, but normally every 3-4 days is sufficient. You can try smaller amounts on an every other day basis too. You just don't want them having poops that are too soft, or soft poops too often as this will increase risk of prolapse. I had to wash them last night too. they had gotten into something and were dirty dirty. I normally never wash them but they really needed it. everyone's poop looks good still and as for their energy levels well. gizmo is the same always bizzy bodying around. angel ha been a bit more active and has actually been playing. which is odd she hasn't wanted to play sense her little mate JJ passed. so its good to see her up and doing more then just wondering around. Sadie gets her play time in the play pen but can see the others and sniff at them threw the bars. she just walks around dooking and plays with me but she is about the same as well. I feel kinda bad for her. I cant be as fun to play with as another ferret. Aw, I'm glad she is starting to find more joy in life again. As for doing intros with Sadie, make a post on the main boards. There are a lot of different methods you can try to gradually introduce them to each other. Others will be better at helping with that though. The Golden Rule is: No Poop, No Blood, No Foul. I also have a weird question. I leave paper under and around sadies litter box. sometimes she dosent always want to use it. but sometimes she ripps it up and pulls in into her blakets and makes like this nest thing to sleep in. do ferrets normally do things like that?I don't have females, but even my boys like to nest up in a pile of fleece blankets. It sounds to me like pretty typical animal nesting behavior. lol
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Post by katt on Jan 21, 2014 13:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 20:07:23 GMT -5
sorry I was going to write you last night but was just so tired after getting home. mom and I had to drive all the way to Jacksonville to get meds for our ferret. my mom just took in new ferrets and final let them play with her 2 and my angel and gizmo. yesterday gus(moms ferret) and my angel got weird poop and wouldn't eat. angel was rubbing her head and acting really odd. we think her new ferrets were carrying something and gave it to them. she has slimy green like poop. reminded me of when angel had ECE. so we had to go get antibiotics and some carafate, and some IV liquids . the IV fluids are just in case though. and now today gizmo has it. Sadie is fine but I think that's cuz I keep her away from everyone else due to her being a bit aggressive. but I am feeding them soupy mix without the slivers. and I had to make it more soupy so I used some petitalight for extra hydration. I haven't had to start syringe feeding them yet. but gus is acting fine today so maybe it was just a 24hr bug.
I also hope this dose not set them back on their switch *
Sadie is eating well still !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used a lil less soup mix in her food.i also added a cube of in bone chicken chinks to it again (I am out of chicken necks and have to get more in a couple days so I can blend more) when I get them should I start chopping them or keep blending them? or should I just keep with the chicken chunks? she loves it!!! I did have to chop moms chunks a little smaller. but she loves to chomp and chew. I forgot the other day to tell you as well that she ate some Cornish game hen but was not thrilled with it. but liked the turkey. I figure once she is eating normal sized ferret meat chops then maybe she will develop a taste for it?
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Post by katt on Jan 22, 2014 2:20:34 GMT -5
sorry I was going to write you last night but was just so tired after getting home. mom and I had to drive all the way to Jacksonville to get meds for our ferret. my mom just took in new ferrets and final let them play with her 2 and my angel and gizmo. yesterday gus(moms ferret) and my angel got weird poop and wouldn't eat. angel was rubbing her head and acting really odd. we think her new ferrets were carrying something and gave it to them. she has slimy green like poop. reminded me of when angel had ECE. so we had to go get antibiotics and some carafate, and some IV liquids . the IV fluids are just in case though. and now today gizmo has it. Sadie is fine but I think that's cuz I keep her away from everyone else due to her being a bit aggressive. but I am feeding them soupy mix without the slivers. and I had to make it more soupy so I used some petitalight for extra hydration. I haven't had to start syringe feeding them yet. but gus is acting fine today so maybe it was just a 24hr bug.It is possible they picked something up from the newbies. Stress can cause GI upset as well. I would stop the pedialyte - just use water. Pedialyte is only for when they are very dehydrated. It has sugar and salt in it so it really should only be used for severely sick and dehydrated ferrets. The raw soup will do wonders to keep them hydrated honestly. Diarrhea can be a very serious problem in kibble fed ferrets because they are in a perpetual state of dehydration. Raw fed ferrets get a LOT more moisture from their food, and are significantly better hydrated (this actually contributes to the decrease in odor and improvement in skin and coat quality). In addition, you are feeding raw SOUP, which has water blended into it - so they are getting a lot of hydration right there. Hope your babies are feeling better soon! I also hope this dose not set them back on their switch It shouldn't. As soon as they are feeling a bit better, start up the slivers again. Sadie is eating well still !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used a lil less soup mix in her food.i also added a cube of in bone chicken chinks to it again (I am out of chicken necks and have to get more in a couple days so I can blend more) when I get them should I start chopping them or keep blending them? or should I just keep with the chicken chunks? she loves it!!! I did have to chop moms chunks a little smaller. but she loves to chomp and chew. I forgot the other day to tell you as well that she ate some Cornish game hen but was not thrilled with it. but liked the turkey. I figure once she is eating normal sized ferret meat chops then maybe she will develop a taste for it?When you get more, I would try chopping them. (Btw what on earth is your magical blender that can blend bone?! I need to know!). Developing a taste for new proteins takes time - just keep feeding it. You can intro new meats by putting the chunks into her regular chicken soup too, it hides the flavor a bit and gets her used to it more gradually. Definitely keep trying new meats with her too - the more protein variety the better. She is doing great!
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Post by katt on Jan 22, 2014 23:51:53 GMT -5
Just checking in for updates.
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