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Post by katt on Feb 9, 2013 14:11:28 GMT -5
Yup, you'll definitely need to get taurine in his diet. I would suggest getting a taurine supplement regardless. Freezing degrades taurine for one, and then you have a backup if you ever can't find hearts. Esp with chicken being out of the picture for now. How have his poops been on the rabbit? Still looking good? How are the others doing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 16:46:11 GMT -5
The other two are doing just fine, occasionly they'll have what appears to be a seedy poop, I associate ot with eathier the whole egg I occasionally put in their soup or the bone? Or no should I be rotating there meats more? otherwise they're both fine
As for meeko, once the computer is back up ill post some pictures of you don't mind, I feel it's better, although fot every one good poop there is 2-3 small black/green/any dark color poops...so not sure how to take that, possible stress from just being in pain and having 2 doses of amox. Shoved down his throat and being force fed?
How're your two doing? I read the implant had issues, that's very tough to hear...best of wishes from all of us here in the blizzard~
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Post by katt on Feb 9, 2013 19:13:30 GMT -5
How often are they getting egg? That can cause loos, slimy stools. Whole egg is very good for them, but only in moderation. How often are you rotating their meats? The bad poops from Meeko could very well be due to stress. FYI bc I noticed it on your other post though, amoxi does not usually cause sleepiness. If Meeko is acting lethargic it would be from not feeling well, the stress of being force fed and getting meds could easily be contributing to that as well. Does he not like the amoxi? Is it flavored?
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Post by katt on Feb 11, 2013 13:11:16 GMT -5
Any updates?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 19:12:09 GMT -5
VERY sorry for not updating, just been ill myself now...my stomach has literally had me doubled over for the past 2 days...I have no idea, worst crampyness and ache I've had in a while. Alright, for the egg, it's MAYBE once a week and it's the whole egg..just kinda toss it in the grinder. As far as the meats go, Sahara and Steve are getting a staple chicken almost every night as they're so picky if I do too high of a percentage of another type of meat. I mean...Steve loves rabbit but sahara won't really eat it..and Sahara seems to enjoy goat where as steve not so much... SO I've been making they're 'soupy' it's so chunky now though... but anyway I've been making it with as mentioned a chicken base but then throwing in a piece of goat / rabbit / or pork pretty much every other meal. So there meals would be like ~50-60% chicken with the rest of the muscle / bone being of the above meat sources...so I mean I think I'm switching it up enough, they're also getting beef liver and chicken so there organ meats are being switched up too. In regards to meeko, yeah I assumed stress related..this not eating thing is frustrating...I mean he eats willingly from my finger once I plop in front of the bowl...but he will NOT go out of his way to eat like he used too.... so I dunno, obviously we're doing our best to get 2-3 full bowls of soupy into him a day just to keep him going, but he is lethargic. So you mentioned amox. not having any drowsy properties, the only reason I question this is as with any medication cycle I've ever taken or given...each individual / organism will act differently..I'm ***assuming that he's just tired of all of this, tired of being poked and proded and bothered every day...so he's just tired... I'm sure his body having to deal with a foreign medicine does NOT help his lethargy...so I'm watching that carefully. Would it be ok to up the dosage of Taurine? I have capsules and a mg / g scale so I can do good doses. He hates all medicine, but as compared to say flagyll, yes he likes amox. As far as it being flavored, I think this one is...his other amox. he's had in the past had no smell at all. This one is made by Phizer ( I detest these people ) and is labeled as "Amoxi-drop's " and yes it has a very pungent sweet smell, thus assuming it's flavored. He gags quickly and isn't fazed anymore by this...kinda is sad that he's so used to it at a little over one Again sorry for the disappearance just trying to feel better myself and catch up on HW... I'll be posting poopy pictures up once I finish some more studies. I'm trying to get in touch with the vet for Wed. for him to get on Lupron ASAP...we'll most likely do the US some other time due to them wanting us to leave him there for ~5 hours alone which in his condition we are both agree we don't want for him, so we want to see what the Lupron will bring, hopefully somewhat better health~
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Post by katt on Feb 12, 2013 4:03:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry you are sick. There's a lot of cruds going around this year. Alright, for the egg, it's MAYBE once a week and it's the whole egg..just kinda toss it in the grinder. Great! As far as the meats go, Sahara and Steve are getting a staple chicken almost every night as they're so picky if I do too high of a percentage of another type of meat. I mean...Steve loves rabbit but sahara won't really eat it..and Sahara seems to enjoy goat where as steve not so much... SO I've been making they're 'soupy' it's so chunky now though... but anyway I've been making it with as mentioned a chicken base but then throwing in a piece of goat / rabbit / or pork pretty much every other meal. So there meals would be like ~50-60% chicken with the rest of the muscle / bone being of the above meat sources...so I mean I think I'm switching it up enough, they're also getting beef liver and chicken so there organ meats are being switched up too.Okay so they are basically eating a chicken puree soup, with small chunks of other meats/bones? (Is there a way you can send a picture and/or video of the soup so I can get an idea of the consistency?) In that case we need to focus on 2 things with them. One is that we need to wean them off of the soup and onto bigger meat chunks, the other is that we need to teach them to eat more meats. Start with putting more chunks in the soup. Will they eat the meat if the soup is less like a soup with chunks in it and more like chunks covered in a lot of gravy? Try to decrease the soup gradually until they are eating mostly (or all!) the chunks. Give decreasing the soup and increasing the chunks a try for their next meal and let me know how it goes. In regards to meeko, yeah I assumed stress related..this not eating thing is frustrating...I mean he eats willingly from my finger once I plop in front of the bowl...but he will NOT go out of his way to eat like he used too.... so I dunno, obviously we're doing our best to get 2-3 full bowls of soupy into him a day just to keep him going, but he is lethargic. Could be stress, but I imagine a lot of it has to do with generally feeling like sh*t too. He is itchy and sore all over, he doesn't feel well. Keep feeding him, he needs to eat. I saw you posted in the other thread RE the vet, but haven't read it yet. I'll hop over there after this and perhaps then I will have some better input/suggestions. In the meanwhile I'm not going to ask questions you probably already answered over there. haha So you mentioned amox. not having any drowsy properties, the only reason I question this is as with any medication cycle I've ever taken or given...each individual / organism will act differently..I'm ***assuming that he's just tired of all of this, tired of being poked and proded and bothered every day...so he's just tired... I'm sure his body having to deal with a foreign medicine does NOT help his lethargy...so I'm watching that carefully. Would it be ok to up the dosage of Taurine? I have capsules and a mg / g scale so I can do good doses. Yes, every animal/person reacts differently, that is very true. The stress of the poking and prodding and stuffing the meds into him will definitely not help matters. Does the amoxi seem to be making any difference as of yet? As for the taurine, the dosage recommendation is 500mg per day per ferret. I'm sure going a little over that wouldn't hurt, but it shouldn't be necessary. He hates all medicine, but as compared to say flagyll, yes he likes amox. /b] Is there a treat he likes? Like ferretTone or fish oil? If so you can dip the syringe in that to coat the end and make it more like he is getting a special treat. It isn't magic, but it helps some. Might help make it slightly less stressful.
As far as it being flavored, I think this one is...his other amox. he's had in the past had no smell at all. This one is made by Phizer ( I detest these people ) and is labeled as "Amoxi-drop's " and yes it has a very pungent sweet smell, thus assuming it's flavored. He gags quickly and isn't fazed anymore by this...kinda is sad that he's so used to it at a little over one See above.
Again sorry for the disappearance just trying to feel better myself and catch up on HW... I'll be posting poopy pictures up once I finish some more studies. I'm trying to get in touch with the vet for Wed. for him to get on Lupron ASAP...we'll most likely do the US some other time due to them wanting us to leave him there for ~5 hours alone which in his condition we are both agree we don't want for him, so we want to see what the Lupron will bring, hopefully somewhat better health~
I hope they will give him the Lupron! Again I have to stress that a) you MUST do a MINIMUM of a 3 month trial or you will do more harm than good and b) it takes 6-8 weeks to really take effect, so don't expect immediate results. I did find that I noticed some small improvements starting at about 3 weeks though, but each ferret is different. Some start to improve in small steps by 2 weeks, others show absolutely no changes until 4-6 weeks. 6-8 weeks is average though to start seeing real signs of improvement.
Yes, poop pictures would be helpful.
I hope you feel better soon!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 7:55:00 GMT -5
Thank you ill try ~
So...im in class and have work later and I completely forgot about the poop, I will have pictures tonight, of everyone's ... Also I'll have pictures of dinner for them. meeko is very weak, even to the point he doesn't want to eat much at all... I'll update more later thank you
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Post by katt on Feb 12, 2013 15:03:46 GMT -5
I am really worried about him. He need Something. I would see if you can get him on Pred in addition to Lupron. Also have you discussed benadryl with the vet? It might help make him more comfortable, though that can possibly make them drowsy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 20:46:11 GMT -5
Yeah... worry is in the air around here to say the least...I feel even Steve and Sahara are linegring as Meeko has been at there cage ALL day trying to get in..something he's NEVER done at all, also as mentioned in the other thread his eating has gone way down hill, he's refusing to be force fed and is showing no interest in food or anything at all.
We're trying to conatct the vets. that were posted by Yurei so we'll be in contact with them tommorow..shall see...
In regards to the chunky food, Steve and Sahara don't seem to be overly enthusiastic about the chunky food, they'll chow DOWN on the soup, the chunks have been sitting there since this morning..so we'll see what that has to be left..
Again I'm sorry I WILL have pictures up asap just submitting last minute HW
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Post by katt on Feb 13, 2013 2:01:41 GMT -5
No huge rush on the pictures, post them when you can. Let me know how S&S do on the chunks tonight. Let me know what word is from the vet tomorrow. I am crossing my fingers for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 8:12:56 GMT -5
Well, Steve didn't seem to really want to eat the chunks, Sahara on the other hand I listened to her all night gnawing away and woke up this morning to see her still gnawing away at the bone I left in there, So...I'd lean on the side of saying that she has NO problems eating the chunks considering the bowl was gone. Steve on the other hand I still have to watch to make sure that he is eating. So I'll keep updated~
Meeko...he's still Meeko....we'll be calling the vet. to schedule an appt. most likely for tomorrow afternoon~
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Post by katt on Feb 14, 2013 4:02:46 GMT -5
Keep giving Steve and Sahara the chunky soup then, but reduce the amount of soup and increase the amount of chunks by just a little. You may want to hand feed her some bits to encourage her. Keep an eye out and make sure she is eating of course. Poor baby Meeko
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 21:25:59 GMT -5
Well i went to the appointment( and it was a journey ) And the vet has given us prednizone and clavamox. Which we are to give him twice a day for two weeks. He was very firm about not believing that meeko has adrenal, he feels that he has some form of IBD . But still wants to do deslorian** but would rather wait until we get Meeko stable. He also doesn't feel that he is allergic to chicken, he said that it very uncommon for ferrets to have a food allergy, but not impossible. So we plan to start giving him chicken once or twice a week and see how he does with it. He also is doing another fecal exam and i'll find out the results of that Tuesday. The Vet is going to call me in 2 weeks and if meeko is looking better than we will be scheduling an appointment to get him his deslorian implant , along with Steve and Sahara. Steve is also still not eating the chunks in his food, and only digs into the food when it is pureed well. Sahara on the other hand has been, and stashing her "prizes " all over the house. Meeko has taken to his food a little more and more willing to eat out of the bowl ( at his leisure of course ) so he still needs to be finger fed at times.
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Post by katt on Feb 16, 2013 16:07:24 GMT -5
Have you tried hand feeding the chunks yet to Steve?
As for Meeko, hopefully the steroids help. At least it's a start. How does he seem today?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 17:47:36 GMT -5
in all honesty he has perked up a little. When i got home i did the usual " where are my babies?!?" and he was the first one to perk up and want to get out of his cage. He also took his meds. like a champ this morning, with that said he has been eating all day very exciting... And as for Steve no we have not, we have just been putting them under some soupy.
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