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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 22:47:12 GMT -5
Heather, how do you make a bone broth? Just boil chicken in water?
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 22:51:07 GMT -5
If Goomba keeps returning to his crinkle tunnel to sleep, should Kpaz keep retrieving him so he isn't alone, or let him have some alone time? How much alone time?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 22:54:55 GMT -5
what i did with Stiv, is every time he would run off(the next day, when he finally accepted it..) and try to sleep, i would grab him and hold him in baby position.. and he would relax and know he was loved but i knew he was still sad.. it helped though, i would just continue to give him love. I think he feels a bit better now though, so IMO she should go show him the love he needs to get through this.. (i feel especially bad because only a few days later, i had left him to my mother and was going to be gone for two weeks..i'm literally going back home friday..)
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Post by Heather on Jan 2, 2013 23:51:02 GMT -5
Yes, Katt. That can work too, if you want. Bone broth can be made using soup bones or any scrap bone that you have, it takes 24 hrs or so to make using large bones. Add some vinegar to the mixture to leach all the nutrients out of the bones. Unlike the recipe where you take the whole chicken and add it to the food processor and then add to broth, this you just use the broth itself so it doesn't have to be chicken. In bone broth it's only the liquid. If he runs off to sleep, let him but don't let him spend a lot of time on his own. You don't want him to withdraw into himself, he will if you let him. The more time he spends alone the further he will withdraw. I have a snuggle bag that I carry my kids in but you can create the same type of thing with a sling. Just holding them and talking to them helps keep them in this world. With Meeteef, I had actually created a basket that he laid in while I was working in the kitchen This is Meeteef in his snuggle bag....I would wear this over my shoulder and work around the house. It meant he was with me all the time. He was small enough that he actually fit in this but for some of my other fuzzes, I had a shoulder bag made so that they would have more space to lay comfortably This is a pic of Meeteef in his basket that I would set up on my counter in the kitchen. It meant I could touch and talk to him even if I was really busy. ciao
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Post by katt on Jan 3, 2013 2:12:31 GMT -5
Heather that's a great idea. I will text her in the morning, I'll pop in with any updates too. The last update I got before bed was that Goomba kept running off to his crinkle tunnel to sleep alone. Kpaz is sleeping with him tonight and wrapped him in her sweater so he would smell her. She also moved the crinkle tunnel right next to her sleep spot so he would be next to her even if he slept in the crinkle tunnel, which seemed to be where he wanted to be. He did eat some more meat slivers when hand fed, so that is something good at least. I'll check in and try to update in the morning. Hopefully Kpaz will feel up to popping back in herself soon, but I don't know when she'll be ready. In the meanwhile I am passing on everyone's great information and support. She really appreciates it, and I do too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 2:15:50 GMT -5
This is so heartbreaking . I was looking at some anti-anxiety products for dogs at cats at a local holistic pet store here and they contained things that people use for calming like chamomile, valerian root, etc. So I imagine St. John's wart might be okay in small doses? But I'm really not sure. I don't see why prescription meds couldn't be used for a ferret either. The anti-depressants/anti-anxiety ones they use for cats, would most likely be ferret safe as well, would be my guess. But again, no personal experience with it. I hope the little guy pulls through definitely lots of love and keeping him with her / on her whenever possible. Hang in there Goomba
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Post by Heather on Jan 3, 2013 3:26:31 GMT -5
Just popped in before going to bed. At least he's eating something. That was the thing that was Meeteef's downfall. He refused everything, food, broth, even syringe feedings (he refused to swallow). He would crawl into the very back of the cage and if you picked him up he would whimper like he was in pain (he was but not totally physical) I know how scared and upset I was and I hadn't been through half of what Kpaz has been through with her guys at the time. I can certainly understand how she may not feel up to dealing with the forum at this time. Our thoughts are with her wee one and her at this time. Their strength candles are burning brightly. May both find peace in sleep tonight. ciao
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Post by katt on Jan 3, 2013 4:18:28 GMT -5
Thanks Heather. I really hope he continues eating. :S I am playing with my boys right now and holding them tight. Ferrets really just steal your heart like no other animal does, there is no way to describe it... Watching that video of Goomba made me want to cry, and even more so it made me want to run home and squeeze my boys tight. They aren't putting up with the smothering tonight though, they want to run and play. Heather, so how exactly do you make bone broth? Is it bone and water and vinegar soaked overnight? Boiled? Just vinegar?
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Post by darlene on Jan 3, 2013 4:23:41 GMT -5
Sending you a pm right now
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Post by Thérèse on Jan 3, 2013 5:58:32 GMT -5
Condolences to kpaz and that video of Goomba is heartbreaking and I'm not even there with him but it just made me want to swoop him up and try and take all the sadness away. So if wishes can help know that over here I am wishing with all my heart that little Goomba can pull through his grief and both he and kpaz can find comfort in each other
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Post by Heather on Jan 3, 2013 11:24:50 GMT -5
Thanks Darlene. ciao
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Post by mjbez on Jan 3, 2013 12:53:46 GMT -5
We are wishing Kpaz and Goomba all the best. Keep your chin up little Goomba. We wish you both healing and that you find comfort in one another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 13:13:11 GMT -5
Kpaz, you may want to try some colostrum powder. Colostrum contains immune enhancers as well as calming/anti-stress agents as well.
I use the Vetriscience product called Composure (which contains elements of colostrum) in conjunction with a custom mix of Bach Elder flowers (rescue remedy). The combination has been very effective on the ferrets. If you find the Rescue Remedy is not working, you can give a bit of colostrum powder in addition to the Rescure Remedy (which is also a Bach Elder Flower mix).
Sending good thoughts and hugs your way, -jennifer
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Post by katt on Jan 3, 2013 13:37:58 GMT -5
Is there a way to do the broth without a crock pot?
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Post by katt on Jan 3, 2013 13:42:51 GMT -5
Just an update. Goomba ate all of the meat Kpaz left out last night, so that is super good. He does not want to eat today however, even when hand fed. I gave her a recipe for Bone broth that Heather and Darlene gave me. She is taking Goomba with her everywhere today, and giving him lots of love. He IS taking his meds even though he isn't eating, so that is good. Hopefully that keeps the seizures at bay. When he was running around the house today she said he was following Pippin's trail, but not searching for him. He rolled in Pippin's bed, but he would not go in the cage where Pippin's blanket is, and he will not go under the cage, which is where Pippin spent most of his time sleeping. Should she take out Pippin's stuff since he is avoiding his spots, or leave them in for a while so that if Goomba needs to smell Pippin it's there when he is ready...?
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