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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 12:39:07 GMT -5
Goomba seems to be completely ignoring Pippin's death. He won't acknowledge Pippin's body at all. I have been talking with Kpaz via text. Is there anything else she can do to help him understand? She has tried setting Goomba next to Pippin's body a few times now and he just walks off. I know Kpaz is too upset to come on the forum right now but I am hoping you guys can offer some speedy input that I can pass onto here via text...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 12:48:36 GMT -5
Probably need to leave his body there for a while, it might take time for him to understand what is happening.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 2, 2013 13:02:34 GMT -5
Boris was like that. So was Athena. With her, we left them alone in a room together for 3-4 hrs and she finally started her grieving process.
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Post by Heather on Jan 2, 2013 13:32:11 GMT -5
I agree, Katt. As hard as it is tell her to leave the wee body with his friend and leave....don't watch. I've left a body out for 4 maybe 5 hours...I know a long time but I've had little ones deny death. They decide that because of surgery smells they don't smell right...for whatever reasons. I had to put Minion in the cage with Yuri (hence the photos that were taken)...he wouldn't go to him. His grief was horrible when it was given but he did do it. I think Minion would have continued to avoid the body if I had left it in the middle of the floor. Yuri didn't smell like Yuri, even to me. I didn't know at the time that Minion was blind, so the lump of fur had no relation to him on the floor...but when it was put in his cage and he got sniffing ears then he knew Then he grieved. It was the first time I had ever used the cage to present a body. I have lit a travelling candle for Pippin, may it guide his wee paws on his journey ciao
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 14:07:30 GMT -5
Thanks Heather. She put Goomba in the cage with Pippin. He is sleeping under the blanket that Pippin is on, but still won't touch him. At least it's a start... I told Kpaz she should go get some rest herself.
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -5
Just an update from Kpaz. Goomba is now sleeping with Pippin. Hopefully he accepts his death... Hang in there little fuzz, your mom still needs you.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 2, 2013 15:44:50 GMT -5
I'm really hoping that means he's accepting his buddy's death finally. Now for his grieving to start
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 15:54:43 GMT -5
I hope so too Sherry. I suspect that Kpaz has a stretch of hand feeding ahead of her. I just hope she can keep enough food in him that his calcium levels don't drop. Fight through it Goomba!
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 21:00:11 GMT -5
Okay I need NEW input now. Goomba definitely understands that Pippin is dead. Kpaz said his mouth is swollen. This has happened a few times here and there and the vet has not really been much help in determining why he swells. This time it appears to be stress related. He is sleeping with Kpaz, when normally he hates being touched when he sleeps. He is also very limp, even when she holds him up and talks to him. They are making food right now to try to get him to eat. Trying slivers first and then soup if he refuses those. I was afraid that he would take this hard. Oh Goomba, don't you know you aren't alone? Your mom and dad still love you and they need you as much as you need them! Hang in there little buddy! Keep fighting! I know you have it in you!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 21:16:44 GMT -5
Try some RR. Definitely give LOTS of love and attention. Give extra treats (still a healthy amount of course). For the swelling, does benadryl do anything? Stress can cause allergies to flair up, which can cause swelling.
Do something with him he usually loves. Going outside. Playing in a filled bathtub. Buy a new toy. Etc. Some of these are more for after he has done the initial grieving, but it can't hurt to try some of them now.
Also, I know this is for kpaz. I'm just speaking in general. Thinking of poor Goomba and Kpaz. This has been a very hard year for them. Come on Goomba, you can do this.
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 21:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 21:41:14 GMT -5
Oh no Goomba I'm so sorry I don't have any advice. Just prayers & positive vibes being sent their way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 22:12:29 GMT -5
Well here's my input..though i'm already crying and shouldn't talk about it anymore.. i looked at a picture of Hagrid and have suppressed the feeling of loss since the night i lost him..and i just lost it myself so...
When we brought Hagrid's body home, we placed him on the floor in his bedding blanket and laid him out. I closed the fence and let his three other cage mates out for them to know why he hadn't been home, and that they wouldn't see him anymore. to say goodbye.
They all sniffed him, and proceeded to look confused.. Coda was in denial. she was digging under the blanket, would go back and sniff him... viciously dig at the blanket around and under him, and then go in the box he was going to be buried in, and laid in his vet's towel for a little bit and then go back to the vicious denial of his loss..
Tubesock sniffed him and seemed to not really notice it.. but afterwards, she ran around and was being rather mean.. scruffing the other two hard on the neck, and biting at us...something she hadn't done since we first brought her home..
Stiv was in COMPLETE denial. he wanted nothing to do with anywhere near Hagrid. He sniffed at Hagrid, his ears, his belly, and yes, his butt.. and RAN he ran. i'm sitting here basically limp to the floor, and watched Stiv run from his friend's lifeless body and i couldn't stand to see it. He ran all the way to the wall, and stood there for a while looking back at Hagrid, but i think he didn't want to smell him..he didn't want to believe that it was his friend Hagrid that was lying there on the floor lifeless..
This was one of the hardest things i have done, believe it or not.. i don't know how i will stand to lose any more..
I would definitely use RR, it's a very useful thing. i'm hoping to get some to.. hopefully the poor boy is alright
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Post by katt on Jan 2, 2013 22:28:00 GMT -5
I sent her some RR, but it won't arrive until Tuesday. Is there anything similar she could give in the meanwhile? Any other herbal things that might help? She is sleeping with him tonight and is hand feeding him. He will eat slivers of meat when hand fed, so that is good news at least. Does anyone know about Saint-John’s-Wort? Does it work on ferrets? How is it given and what is the dosage if so? Also, IF Goomba struggles for an extended period, has anyone ever tried antidepressant or antianxiety meds on ferrets? I know they have them for dogs and cats, but has anyone here ever used them?
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Post by Heather on Jan 2, 2013 22:31:26 GMT -5
I have seen that look before.... RR and whatever allergy meds you have for him....love him. A bone broth would be good if she has any. He doesn't understand.... his heart is broken. He understands that his friend is dead...he just doesn't understand why he was left behind. I found a friend for Meeteef....I couldn't reach him . Good luck, thoughts are with poor Goomba and kpaz....this is so horrible for both of them. If Kpaz has not removed his friend, she should do so, he knows and has aknowledged...he's not accepting it though. If she's snuggling him, wrap him in his own blankets or better yet clean ones. She needs to make a new contact, herself as the one he leans to. ciao
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