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Post by Desiree on Feb 26, 2015 16:02:19 GMT -5
I haven't seen this yet. Notice that the vet is from ASPCA and I really really hope that the woman is not just feeding her dogs chickens legs. I really wish they would have discussed what goes into raw feeding. Also I wish the vet would have discussed how much bacteria is also found in kibble. www.cbsnews.com/videos/is-a-raw-food-diet-good-for-your-pet/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 16:16:16 GMT -5
Well I watched it and that vet sounds just like mine. She's not against raw diets but she wants me to switch to commercial raw instead of our DIY. Just today she says what about contamination or parasites.....contamination..blah blah..  It's so frustrating.... When we see the results they say well,there really aren't any studies to back it up. Well how about better coats, longer lives, better teeth and so on. I think until someone doctor actually does the research, which won't happen bc I'm sure he couldn't get funding, we are going to keep hearing kibble is better. |
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Post by linsul on Feb 26, 2015 19:00:57 GMT -5
Very glad to see raw food catching on the past few years. My only worry is "hipster trendy" brands that may have all the right buzzwords without the right nutrition, though that can only take true hold if people don't study up on pets diets themselves. I hope she's not just feeding chicken legs too!
That vet reminds me of my old vet for dogs, all scare tactics and slinging inconclusive allergy tests as "proof" my lab should be on a 50 dollar plus a month prescription diet. How about no! Every vet I've been to since has gone on and on about how healthy my dogs are and how great their teeth, weight, blood and joints are to "why do you want to kill your dogs?" after I tell them I feed them raw. It flies right in the face of their own observations and test results, but it ALWAYS ends like that. They think *I* am out of line for reacting to it even though I base my pets health on their own information before they find out what they're eating. I've never needed a vet for anything beyond vaccinations/heartworm meds (knock on wood) so I've learned to just let them rant at me and leave.
Bacteria in kibble, ideal nutrient ratios, filler proportions, etc are all things they can talk about but choose not to. How often are pet food recalls done in comparison to human grade food? The conditions and hygiene of the manufacturing sites, I bet one is a lot better than the other! How much money are pet food manufacturers throwing at veterinary programs in colleges and how often do they sponsor the nutritional education publications used by those schools? They can agree bottom shelf food kibble isn't as good as top shelf kibble while completely disregarding the reasons why but raw food blows their minds. It's ridiculous.
Edit: I have a lot of canine veterinary angst clearly. I blame them for my love of wine, and forgive them because that led me to Port.
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Post by Desiree on Feb 26, 2015 20:27:51 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love wine too so I feel you there. Port, though, not so much. How often are pet food recalls done in comparison to human grade food?
So funny story. I was actually reading up on the Beneful lawsuit (funny how Purina can sue Blue Buffalo when a Purina brand food is being sued by consumers) when I saw this. DOES THIS NOT SCARE PEOPLE? I don't feed my dogs raw but I carefully, very carefully, read every ingredient and pick the best food for my dogs needs. (yes it would be cheaper to go raw, but I just don't have the time at the moment) How much money are pet food manufacturers throwing at veterinary programs in colleges and how often do they sponsor the nutritional education publications used by those schools?
Oh I really hope that isn't true. That's like Purina sponsoring show dogs and saying that all the show dogs are fed Purina... I really really doubt it. I understand that they get a overview of nutrition, I understand how not knowing if someone is doing it correctly can be scary. I get both of those things. The thing that irks me is when my vet asked me what I was feeding and I said raw, she asked what kind of raw and I told her the prey model diet and I started explaining my percentages and how I was doing it and she stopped writing down and told me about a dog that died because of a parasite. I'm sure her first answer would have been something based on nutrition if I hadn't explained. She also called us a cult if that isn't scary. Thankfully, she is the only vet there that has said that much. Most just nod and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:28:42 GMT -5
linsul I have ferret veterinary angst. If I had a dime for every vet who told me I was wrong or they *knew* ferrets I would be rich! It's so disappointing. Ferrets are the 3 rd most popular pet in America and so few vets know much about them or their common medical issues. Seriously? It's 2015 it's time they devote a a few classes on these guys and another few on proper nutrition and I don't mean kibble. Sorry sore subject for me...rant over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:33:55 GMT -5
The vet we found has not discouraged us from feeding raw. She was very impressed with the condition of our fur babies. I think she is a little more open minded to the diet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:34:54 GMT -5
Desiree. Reminds me of a vet that pretty much told me I was a horrible cat owner bc I let me cats go outside. Apparently, cats should only be allowed indoors. I wonder how they survived on this planet all these years without kibble and houses?
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Post by Desiree on Feb 26, 2015 20:43:31 GMT -5
Right! I think it definitely depends on the cat, my mothers cats wouldn't step outside if the house was on fire. My beautiful Cas used to sit on the porch but he never wondered past there.
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Post by linsul on Feb 26, 2015 20:57:42 GMT -5
I put port on ice cream. It's so decadent, I love it. Oh and I drink it too, I'll take it however I can get it! Big Riesling fan too. Allergic to tannins in reds, but I sneak sips! I hadn't heard about the Beneful lawsuit, but I'm not surprised ugh >.< My whole raw journey with the dogs was started by my lab suddenly developing allergies so horrible she chewed the webbing up between her toes  It was horrible and went on and on. Then raw food helped her immediately and the vet(s) acted like I was hurting her despite even their own tests saying otherwise. I feel your pain on the vet front, it's like they have weaponized raw feeding response systems...which likely come from their school experiences and information sources! I can't believe she called raw feeders a cult though, I didn't realize they took it that personally. I guess if you're getting manufacturer perks and freebies loyalty to the almighty dollar goes a long way. I'd ask about devotion to money and promptly get kicked out I bet haha. I do have a strong dislike of the tightness between food manufacturers and veterinary schools. They get lecture time and sometimes nutritional textbook input (I'm going to try and find the article I saw on that) and throw out freebies to vets and all that junk. I found this on a wild google whim, there's a lot more. www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/Clubs/SCAVMA/studentresources/petfood/purina.cfmJerseyGirl I am NOT looking forward to actually meeting Kat's vet. I'm sure there will be a new way to lay into me on that front, and I'll have to either lie or smile and take it because that office is the only one near me with DES and it's a connection I can't afford to mess up. Don't feel badly for ranting, if you can't rant about anti-raw sentiment on a holistic forum, where can you?  |
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Post by Desiree on Feb 26, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
I know it's hard but definitely don't lie to your vet. One, if Kat is in great condition, you don't want to attribute that to kibble and two, there can be issues with raw, like any food and your vet will need to know what is going on. They cannot refuse treatment to you based on what you feed. Yeah cult was a little strong but that's okay. If all cults were this beneficial the world would be a better place!
I'm actually excited to take my babies into the vets. The two that have been are elders while they look great, they still have some issues going on. Tundra and Arbor look great, better than great! They are chunky (in a good way) and thick and have the most luxurious coats. I know they are kits but I like to contribute some of that to raw feeding as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:20:23 GMT -5
The media doesn't ever seem to get it right in the long run, on anything. But hey, at least it is something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:21:02 GMT -5
linsul. So true but can u tell I'm not used to like minded pet owners? It's something I look forward to getting used to.  So agree about the food Manu and vet colleges. I'd love it if one of the students asked a rep why there are veggies and carbs in ferret food being that they are obligate carnivores. Oh man that would be fun. 
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Post by linsul on Feb 26, 2015 21:45:41 GMT -5
I know it's hard but definitely don't lie to your vet. One, if Kat is in great condition, you don't want to attribute that to kibble and two, there can be issues with raw, like any food and your vet will need to know what is going on. They cannot refuse treatment to you based on what you feed. Yeah cult was a little strong but that's okay. If all cults were this beneficial the world would be a better place! I'm actually excited to take my babies into the vets. The two that have been are elders while they look great, they still have some issues going on. Tundra and Arbor look great, better than great! They are chunky (in a good way) and thick and have the most luxurious coats. I know they are kits but I like to contribute some of that to raw feeding as well. For sure, you make excellent points. The logic centers of my brain are on fire with them and the knowledge that these little guys have such fast metabolisms and bacteria loads that honesty is the way to go. Also that my dog vet experience doesn't mean the ferret one will be the same. I will be honest, but I need to talk my angsty side down from the ledge. In truth I need to come to grips with the vet for the dogs because Anakin is going on 10 and I'm sure she should go in for the full lube-n-tune for older dogs. I think I can get behind the notion of a known raw healthy ferret at the vets office. Your crew is super cute, I can't even get over your little nugget Tundra! It can't be said enough: I love the chunksters  jerseygirl we can hold forum hands and get through finding like minds together lol! Your question about obligate carnivores is forefront on the mind when it comes to defending raw. Just gotta make sure percentages are on point before my first vet visit and let the rest ride. |
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Post by bitbyter on Feb 26, 2015 22:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by Desiree on Feb 26, 2015 22:06:00 GMT -5
The media doesn't ever seem to get it right in the long run, on anything. But hey, at least it is something? I understand the need to get a vet involved but I wish it was a more knowledgeable one. linsul Tundra is my heart ferret for sure. I read that article when I first joined the group and it actually armed me with I needed to know going into my vets office. |
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