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Post by katt on Dec 3, 2012 13:30:04 GMT -5
Bump!
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Post by katt on Dec 6, 2012 2:15:21 GMT -5
Any updates?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 21:43:12 GMT -5
ooooouuuf sorry again! just trying to stay alive over here! if you only knew what my house looks like lol. I'm going to buy meat tomorrow (husband didnt wanna buy more meat while we still had some) but I did look at what I could find;
Chicken: necks/backs wings
gizzards hearts
Beef: cubes i think it was backs or something, i have tried them before but molson didnt seem to like it
heart liver
pork cubes chops heart liver
turkey wings
I also found lamb, moose & bison meat (but it came packaged from a company and i think it may be marinated) and the usual stuff i guess you could say. didnt see any duck...I have found the hammer trick to just not work well at all but I will look at your tool thingy you sent me a link to. where would you be shipping from?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 21:48:20 GMT -5
wow that ulu knife looks dangerous lol. how does it stay sharp? or is it even sharp?
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Post by katt on Dec 10, 2012 1:00:45 GMT -5
ooooouuuf sorry again! just trying to stay alive over here! if you only knew what my house looks like lol. I'm going to buy meat tomorrow (husband didnt wanna buy more meat while we still had some) but I did look at what I could find; Chicken: necks/backs wings gizzards hearts Beef: cubes i think it was backs or something, i have tried them before but molson didnt seem to like it heart liver pork cubes chops heart liver turkey wings I also found lamb, moose & bison meat (but it came packaged from a company and i think it may be marinated) and the usual stuff i guess you could say. didnt see any duck...I have found the hammer trick to just not work well at all but I will look at your tool thingy you sent me a link to. where would you be shipping from? All of the above sound great. The bison, lamb, and moose will be great ways to add in some variety, even if they are just fed occasionally. As long as they are not marinated of course. I find it helpful when I am buying meat to BUY it in the correct proportions. Then even if they aren't balanced for the week if you say feed an extra meal of turkey or something, you know that overall they are still getting the correct balance. Obviously you want the week to be balanced of course, but at least then you have a backup balance so to speak. So the proportions come out to approximately: 5% liver 5% other organs (kidney, spleen, brain) 10-15% bones 65-70% muscle meat (including gizzards) 10% heart (normally this is included in the muscle meat percentage, hence the lower number above) So if you are purchasing say 100lb of meat, you would want 10lb of heart, 5lb liver, 5lb other organs, and then 80lb of meat, with a good majority of it being bone-in meat. Say a few lbs of gizzards, a few lbs of boneless meats, and then stuff like wings, chicken backs, whole chickens, etc. Shoot for about 7-9 meals of bone-in meats a week.
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Post by katt on Dec 10, 2012 1:05:37 GMT -5
wow that ulu knife looks dangerous lol. how does it stay sharp? or is it even sharp? I don't usually sharpen mine, but you certainly can. It makes the meat-slicing abilities of them better, though I find it doesn't have much effect on the bone crushing abilities. They are about $3 for just an Ulu, and I use flat-rate shipping. I live in Alaska, so it is less expensive using flat-rate. One ulu can be sent in a flat-rate envelope. If you want multiples or want one with a board, it has to go in the medium flat rate box.
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Post by katt on Dec 10, 2012 1:06:20 GMT -5
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Post by katt on Dec 10, 2012 1:07:04 GMT -5
It doesn't take long for them to arrive once shipped, the big hold back is it often takes me a while to get to the Post Office while they are open because of my schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 13:52:03 GMT -5
I'm going top the grocerystore later so I'm going to bring the menu guide, I should have bought a met ascale when I was at the store but I didn't think to I'll let you know what I've found !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 21:24:44 GMT -5
I found the following food : Lean ground horse meat Chicken wings Chicken gizzards Chicken hearts Calf kidney Calf liver Lamb tenderloin chops pork & beef chunks
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Post by katt on Dec 11, 2012 1:46:40 GMT -5
I found the following food : Lean ground horse meat Chicken wings Chicken gizzards Chicken hearts Calf kidney Calf liver Lamb tenderloin chops pork & beef chunks Meat is usually labeled by weight on the packaging. That is what I look at anyways. Horse meat would be interesting, should be fine to feed them for some variety. It sounds like you definitely have some options. The more exotic meats don't have to be regulars, but you can rotate through them to up the variety in his menu. A tip for shopping, I find it much easier to buy in bulk. I will buy a whole bird (turkey, duck, or chicken) and butcher it down to smaller pieces. You will definitely need something that can cut through bones if you do that though. Even a pair of poultry shears would help somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 13:10:52 GMT -5
I would have to look for whole chickensn/ducks but for most of what I bought so far like the gizzards and hearts I bought all that they had .using what I listed,what would be an ideal schedule
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Post by katt on Dec 11, 2012 14:11:01 GMT -5
I would have to look for whole chickensn/ducks but for most of what I bought so far like the gizzards and hearts I bought all that they had .using what I listed,what would be an ideal schedule You tell me. Make a menu, and I'll tell you if or where it needs adjusting. If you feed 2 meals a day you should have 1 - 1.5 meals organ (half liver, half other organs), 1 - 1.5 meals heart, and 7-8 bony meals. The easiest way to do the organs and heart is to have a set 2 days (the weekend for example) that are for organs and heart. Then you have feed one meal all organs, one meal all heart, one meal half organs, half heart, and one meal of bony meats. Then you have the other 5 days to get in your remaining 6-7 bony meals and other muscle meats for variety (horse meat, gizzards, etc). I can tell you that you should ideally have at least one more bone source other than chicken wings. I know you said it is hard to find anything, but even if you can get some turkey necks, or pork button ribs, something along those lines. You have enough variety of other meats that I'm not too concerned, but just keep your eye out for other sources of bone whenever you go grocery shopping. I've found that sometimes you can come across random little things that aren't carried regularly. Are you able to supplement with calcium at all? Bone meal, powdered egg shell, or ground cuttle bones are all good to use. I see no reason why reptile calcium can't be used either as long as it is No D3 or phosphorus added... If you can get a decent calcium supplement, you can compromise for your lack of variety of bony meats while adding in more variety so they don't get bored. As it is, half of their diet will be chicken wings (7-8/14 meals). If you can supplement with calcium powder, then you can decrease the bony meals and add the calcium to the horse, beef, pork, lamb, gizzards, etc so they can have more variety.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 19:02:03 GMT -5
When you say calcium for lizards,do you mean like those calcium licks? My lizards food is already balanced so I've never had to buy supplements. When I give a chicken wing he takes all day to eat it so I figure on days when I feed him those maybe I could feed him just that one meal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 19:05:58 GMT -5
Oops sorry I'm having issues with my phone lol I didn't mean to put those smileys and I wasn't done typing... are muscle meats included in the bone meals? I've always given 1 liver meal a week, does kidney work for that also ? And do I give hearts just one day a week also? And the ready of the week its wings (or other bones when I can ), gizzards and horse ?
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