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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 20:59:25 GMT -5
I had this entire post written out, but it got eaten.....so here goes again. Noah has been switched over entirely to commercial raw diet. He has Wysong archetypal 1 available at all times, dry and/or rehydrated. He is also getting the Vital Essentials Chicke, beef, salmon and egg formula mixed with Wysongs aus jus canned in the morning or afternoon. The canned has been either turkey or duck, but I have many varieties still. And then at night we have natures variety raw instinct rabbit or lamb to choose from. Is this balanced enough? Does it need any adjusting to be nutritionally correct?
I've also noticed that his stool output has decreased since going off the kibble...which is great. However, they are no longer formed. At all. They are liquid diarrhea type stool with no form whatsoever. Is this normal for being switched? Am I harming him? He's got a lot of energy and seems very happy, I just don't want to hurt him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 21:01:53 GMT -5
Wysong archetypal 1:
Chicken, Chicken Hearts, Chicken Livers, Ground Chicken Bone, Milk Calcium, Fish Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Coral Calcium, Organic Mung Bean Sprouts, Organic Millet Sprouts, Organic Quinoa Sprouts, Organic Blueberries, Organic Apples, Plums, Barley Grass, Wheat Grass, Dried Whey, Kelp, Dried Seaweed, Artichoke, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Yeast Culture, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Phytase, Sage Extract, Rosemary Extract, Choline Cloride, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement
Natures variety lamb:
Lamb, Lamb Liver, Raw Ground Lamb Bone, Lamb Heart, Lamb Kidney, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseed, Montmorillonite Clay, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Dried Apples, Fruit Pectin, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove
Natures variety rabbit:
Rabbit, Pork Fat, Raw Ground Rabbit Bone, Pork Liver, Pork Heart, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseed, Montmorillonite Clay, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove.
Vital essentials:
Chicken, Beef, Chicken Liver, Salmon, Eggs, Carrageenan, Natural Flavors, Inulin, Green Tea Extract, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Calcium Sulfate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite.
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Post by goingpostal on Oct 24, 2012 21:04:47 GMT -5
Hmmm..maybe back off on the canned or add some crushed eggshell? I'm not experienced in feeding commercial, mine only really get it on occasion and/or treat, but I find they have larger, firmer stool than on normal raw. Raw poops tend to be small and thinner. Can be loose on organ/rich meats.
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Post by Heather on Oct 24, 2012 21:11:13 GMT -5
There are a lot of funky fruits and veggies, honey?? but I don't honestly know enough about commercial grinds to offer much advice.
I would normally advice adjusting the bone or egg shell and adding some pumpkin but I don't know about how it would work with the existing recipe. Pumpkin for sure.
ciao
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 21:26:03 GMT -5
I did notice there were a lot of funky fruits in the commercially available raw, but 95 percent is meat, bones and organs, the amount of fruit is minimal. I was thinking about adding pumpkin? Getting good raw meat around here is hard, so that's why I went the commercial route. I'm wondering if its too rich for his intestines all at once? I'll try backing off the canned and see what happens.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 24, 2012 22:46:11 GMT -5
Those are three good commercial raw diets. And you've got enough variety. I'd add about 1/2 tsp pumpkin twice a day(1/2 each meal). How long has he been on this diet now? It can take a while for stools to settle
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 23:00:37 GMT -5
Hmmm...... how long has Noah been on raw?  It can take a while for ferrets to adjust to raw. How old is Noah??? I know hat the FERRET archetypal I is nearly all chicken these days.... It looks like one of the other products is mostly chicken as well. (Discussion on food allergy below). Another thing .... I Do feed Natures Variety frozen raw, but i do NOT feed their rabbit...the source of NV rabbit is China, and I do NOT use meats that come from outside of the US. Some countries irradiate the crap out of their imported/exported meats ---> especially pet food. Also,we have had isues with pet food from China in the past (melamine???) I Am a "mostly commercial raw feeder"...both frozen and freeze-dried raw. To be honest, the "weird stuff (fruits/veggies) RARELY cause issues in the diet. The two primary culprits in food allergies/sensitivities are typically carbs (wheat/ grains/rices, fillers) and proteins. Why? the reason why these items are most inflammatory for animals is because they are cheap and have been used in kibble for GENERATIONS. the most commonly offensive protein is chicken - cheap , plentiful, and the primary animal-based protein in most kibble for many decades. Chicken/poultry sensitivities in ferrets are pretty darned common. There can be other issues going on as well, and digestion will vary from one ferret t he next. But to be honest, the tiny amounts of weird stuff in high-quality raw diets ( Wysongs, Natures variety, etc) are rarely the cause of any issues. I will try to keep an eye out for your posts and recommend some things to try......warning - there are times when I disappear for a while (very sudden) due to my job. I used to mentor, but cannot be available long enough without having to disappear to be of real value as a mentor  . -jennifer |
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Post by Sherry on Oct 25, 2012 0:23:27 GMT -5
And we ALL miss having you as one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 7:53:16 GMT -5
Thank you all very much! ,  Noah has been off of kibble for a few days now, although we've been working on switching for awhile. I'll give him a little while to see if his stools firm up and if they don't I shall keep all of you posted and try to take out the chicken. Ay suggestions for other freeze dried raw? He loves it. I'll also try to get some pumpkin to add. Noah is about 2.5/3 years old. Our best guesstimate. Thank you for the info about the NV rabbit...very interesting. I'll have to do some research! |
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Post by Sherry on Oct 25, 2012 9:31:11 GMT -5
I believe that's changing about where NV is going to be sourcing their rabbit from. If I remember correctly it's going to be coming from Australia shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 20:14:16 GMT -5
My boyfriend went to the store for me while I was at work and couldn't find any pumpkin...so he picked up a real one and gutted it. Should I just blend it without the seeds?
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Post by Sherry on Oct 25, 2012 20:24:27 GMT -5
Pop it in the oven to cook it first. It will have a better consistency. Cut it in segments, line the pan with foil, bake at 350 until done. A fork should sink into it easily. Scrape the "meat" of the pumpkin off and puree that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 20:46:35 GMT -5
I only have what was "inside" the pumpkin. He gutted it and carved a ferret in it for Noah. Tomorrow when I get home from work I"ll bake it and mix it into his food. Thanks sherry!
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