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Post by toxxxickitten on Aug 15, 2012 15:53:33 GMT -5
So, I've read in depth on the More Dooks Food Search chart and found a food that wasn't on the list and decided to do the point system myself. I figured the food to be a 40.04 (which would be in the blue tier) if I did my math correctly and understood the point system. There is a pet store in my area that carries this: grandmamaes.com/formulas/for-cats/And just wanted to post for reassurance that I figured the points out correctly as I want to be able to use this food as one of the kibble possibly for my fuzzbutts. |
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Post by crazylady on Aug 15, 2012 17:20:01 GMT -5
Hi I dont know what your points system is but I can do a run down for you if hats any help
chicken
Flesh and skin with or without bone fresh meat contains 80% water so will contain less protien per ounce weight than chicken meal
CHICKEN MEAL
Dried rendered powder of flesh and skin with or without bone this contains more protien per ounce weight than fresh meat
pear barley
This has no nutritional value to a ferret it is used as a filler and binder it cannot be digested by a ferret contains starches carbs and a little protein
chicken fat
Fat obtained by rendering down poultry carcasses ferrets do require fat in the diet
Menhaden fish meal ( not used for human consumption)) a small fish it is rich in omega 3 often used in chicken feeds and as a fertilizer
dried eggs
Powdered egg a good source of natural protien one egg provides 6% protein
whole ground flax seed
The seeds of the flax plant ( they cannot be digested by a ferret ) when ground they produce an oil
herring oil
oil rich in omega 3
sweet potato
has no nutritional value to a ferret and a ferret cannot digest it used as a bulker filler and binder
Blueberries
Has no nutritional value to a ferret as they cannot digest fruit used as a binder and filler contains fiber and some SUGAR
Cranberries
Has no nutritional value to a ferret as it is fruit based and cannot be digested contains unusable protien carbs and SUGAR it is claimed that it can help urinary tract infections there is no scientific proof that this is true
Pea fiber
Has no nutritional value to a ferret and cannot be digested by them used as a filler and binder contains unusable protien fiber and SUGAR
Taurine
Taurine is essential for good health it is a derivative of a sulfur containing amino acid it can also be found in animal tissue
Potassium Chloride
Used as a salt substitute the majority is used in fertilizer making side effects can be nausea diarrhea gastrointestinal discomfort and bleeding of the digestive tract
salt
Salt is needed in the body in small amounts
DL METHIONINE
One of the two sulfur containing prateinogenic amino acids found in sesame seeds and Brazil nuts (indigestible to a ferret) also found in fish and meats
vit E
Powdered VIT E
sodium ascorbate
Artificial form of vit c used as a preservative
LACTOBACILLUS ACIDOPHILUS
A good bacteria
Bifidobacterium thermophilum
a good bacteria
the rest are basic bacteria's and vits ( basically powdered vits )
I think your main source of protein is going to come from the chicken meal as your ferrets wont be able to digest any of the vegetable protein the manufacturers sneak in there and add to the overall protein content if your ferret has any signs of insulinoma I would take care too as it contains three sources of hidden sugar hope this helps take care bye for now
Bev
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 17:44:59 GMT -5
I didn't check your math, but look at the score of your food (40) vs that of Marshalls kibble (39). IMO a score of 40 isn't that great at all. You really want to try to pick a food in the upper blue and green tier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 19:15:58 GMT -5
I would not feed that to my ferrets, third ingredient is brown rice which is 1. a filler and useless to a ferret and 2. a potential blockage issue. The 4th ingredient is barely which is also a waste of space.
If you need advice or help picking out kibble, feel free to send me a message as I feed kibble and am switching over to raw.
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Post by kissmyhorse on Aug 15, 2012 20:12:28 GMT -5
I would have to agree.. the MD food chart is a good place to start for kibbles but really, I'd prefer to stay in the green tier. I feed one of the kibbles in my mix isnt on the list either. It's EVO Turkey&Chicken Canine. Thankfully MD makes it easy by giving you their scoring system. EVO T&C scores a 50.64 on their chart and I mix it about 50/50 with Wellness CORE Cat which scores 51.63. My three are doing really great on this mix, poops are good, coats are shiny and soft, and odor is kept to a minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 21:36:32 GMT -5
Honestly, they go through kibble so slow anyway, and you feed less of the good stuff, it's just not worth it to buy anything but the best kibble available. I personally feed half/half Orijen cat&kitten and Ferret Epigen 90, as well as NV and Pets4Life pre made raw. Rolo is doing great on this diet so far  |
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Post by toxxxickitten on Aug 16, 2012 11:26:50 GMT -5
For Bev: moredooks.herobo.com/search.php?chart=ferretI was using the points system provided by this chart. The way I figured it was in the low end of the blue tier between Totally Ferret Turkey Venison and Lamb & 4Health Cat. I currently feed two kibbles to my fuzzbutts and was looking for a third to add. I read that the more mixed in, the better. I currently feed a mix of Wellness CORE Cat and Professional Kitten Chicken and Rice Formula. |
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Post by crazylady on Aug 16, 2012 16:38:48 GMT -5
Oh wow thanks for showing me that though I must confess it still leaves me confused lol I don't understand the wysong epigen 90 ( its listed twice ) first it reads 58.3 ( at top ) then lower down same ingredients its listed as 54.22 with the note use as a mixer only ? it still beats me why they dump so much junk in unusable vegetable matter in kibbles over the years I have researched quite a few for people and found some disgusting things put in everything from fertilisers to clay! as you can see here www.ferretvillage.org/viewforum.php?f=42 thanks for sharing that take care bye for now Bev |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 18:34:16 GMT -5
Oh wow thanks for showing me that though I must confess it still leaves me confused lol I don't understand the wysong epigen 90 ( its listed twice ) first it reads 58.3 ( at top ) then lower down same ingredients its listed as 54.22 with the note use as a mixer only ? it still beats me why they dump so much junk in unusable vegetable matter in kibbles over the years I have researched quite a few for people and found some disgusting things put in everything from fertilisers to clay! as you can see here www.ferretvillage.org/viewforum.php?f=42 thanks for sharing that take care bye for now Bev Bev, there are different versions of wysong epigen 90. There is the ferret version that comes in a silver bag that is appropriate as a stand alone food for a ferret. Then there is the yellow bag that is for cats/dogs. It has a much lower fat content, about 13% I think. It ius only suitable as a mixer because of this. I hope that helps. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 20:17:57 GMT -5
Oh wow thanks for showing me that though I must confess it still leaves me confused lol I don't understand the wysong epigen 90 ( its listed twice ) first it reads 58.3 ( at top ) then lower down same ingredients its listed as 54.22 with the note use as a mixer only ? it still beats me why they dump so much junk in unusable vegetable matter in kibbles over the years I have researched quite a few for people and found some disgusting things put in everything from fertilisers to clay! as you can see here www.ferretvillage.org/viewforum.php?f=42 thanks for sharing that take care bye for now Bev It's listed twice because I'm pretty sure that they are the ferret and cat versions. The cat version doesn't have adequate fat content, so it's not recommended to feed on it's own, just as a protein boost. It's best just to use the ferret version IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 20:23:54 GMT -5
Vegs are often used in kibble to restore vitamins and minerals that are lost during the processing of the foods. The key with ferret food is to find ones that are high in animal protein, list quality animal sources are the first ingredients, and don't use grains to bind the kibble. My favs are Wellness Core original, Wysong ferret epigen 90, Orijen 80/20 cat poultry & fish, and Zupreem ferret grain free. All are grain free and high in protein and fat.
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Post by crazylady on Aug 17, 2012 17:37:46 GMT -5
Vegs are often used in kibble to restore vitamins and minerals that are lost during the processing of the foods.
but a ferret cannot digest any vegetable or fruit matter plus the processing ( cooking ) destroys all vits and minerals they contain this is why they add in various vits and minerals in powdered form at the end of the cooking process when cool before pressing into shapes its also funny how they play on the looks healthy ( sure cranberries carrots and peas and stuff may look healthy in a human diet but there useless to a ferret !) its also amazing how many use beet pulp ( they fail to add this is simply the waste after sugar has been removed and still contains some sugars ) a lot also add in types of sea weed which once again although it looks good on the list of contents as being healthy is useless and cannot be digested I simply don't understand why so much un digestible rubbish ends up in ferret foods and vets say yes I recommend you feed it ! take care bye for now
Bev
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Post by Sherry on Aug 17, 2012 17:52:27 GMT -5
That's because not only do they make a lot of money off selling it Bev, they also aren't given really anything in the way of nutritional training in school, and what is done is sponsored by the kibble companies  |
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