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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 10:30:57 GMT -5
I really want to switch my cats, dog, and ferrets back to a raw diet in the next year or so but I want to do it correctly and in a way that is easy for me and them. I really like the idea of individually portioned, pre-packaged meals. I was going to try and develop my own mixes, form them into portioned pucks (portion size being determined by the species and weight of animal. For example, the size of my 16lbs cat's portions will be significantly larger than the portion for my 1.5lb ferret).
My question is, what is the best way to go about doing this? I plan on doing a lot of reading and research about animal nutrition and raw feeding. I plan on using normal sources of meat like beef, chicken, and turkey, but also incorporating protein sources like mice, rat, cornish game hen, etc. I would also need to not only research nutrition needs, but also how to go about processing the whole prey and meat into these foods in a safe and sanitary manner.
For example, how would you incorporate bones into a ground meal so that it is safe for the carnivore to eat. Or do you use calcium supplements (like calcium powder) instead? I suppose I would also need to invest in a good grinder.
Just some thoughts I'm tossing around. I have a few career goals and I'm not sure which one I want to go with yet. One of them is to start a Holistic Animal Food business. I would provide whole prey items like mice, rats, quail, etc. as well as offer pre-packaged foods. I would provide food for a number of pets including cats, dogs, ferrets, snakes, lizards, etc.
Anyone have any experience in this or have any advice, thoughts, suggestions? I will not be able to begin breeding my own feeder animals until I actually own a home with some land, but I can begin by doing my research and some experimenting with meats and feeder animals I can buy from the store.
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Post by Heather on Jul 30, 2012 10:45:06 GMT -5
Great aspirations. Wonderful ideas. I wish you luck (in a good way, not being sarcastic for some reason that phrase always comes out sounding wrong ) I have to admit having a grinder (industrial) would help. I make my own grinds. I use chicken bone as a base (ground necks and backs, I buy this). It's too high a bone content on its own so I have to add meat but it works very well as a base. I then add what ever meat is going to be used that week (actually I make for 2 weeks) This time it was fish (they got sole, they prefer whitefish). I used turkey hearts and chicken livers. The last time I used pork but all the offal was rabbit. The time before that it was beef, with beef liver and beef heart (hit pay dirt that week, managed to actually stay bovine all the way ) I would love to use bone appropriate too, but it is very, very difficult if not impossible to get bone grinds of the large ungulates. The bone is just too hard for most grinders. I almost always add pumpkin to the mix for the roughage. This seems to work well for my grinds. I've been happy with what I created the recipe has changed little over the time that I've been making it except I don't do a lot of the vitamins and supplements that was considered necessary when I first started feeding raw. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 10:54:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the info (and no it did not come out sarcastic)!!!! How do you make sure the portions are nutritionally complete? (For example, how do you make sure it has the right ratio of meat and bone, or make sure it has enough calcium or taurine?)
I also plan on getting a FoodSaver and vacuum packing all portions. One of my first experiments may be with mice, specifically pinkie and fuzzy mice. I order rodents in bulk from Rodent Pro and at the bottom of the pinkie/fuzzy bags I tend to find bodies with no heads or bodies without legs or heads with no bodies, etc. They just break apart in packing and shipping. I can't thaw these items out to use for my snakes so I tend to thaw them out and give them to the ferrets as treats. I figure they can be my first experiment. I only get a few per bag (one bag usually has 100 prey items, and I usually find maybe 5 items like this) but it's worth a try.
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Post by Heather on Jul 30, 2012 11:07:01 GMT -5
See there lies the difficulty. How do you know exactly what is in the package is complete and what the ratios are. It's rather like portion control for humans it's approximation. If you're going to make a business of it you will have to know. If feeding just your own, then you understand the need to always add different proteins to cover those lost bases. Even though mine have ground available they also get whole meats and prey. So, I'm not that hung up about amounts. Most of my guys hate the taste or the texture of liver, so that's why it was originally ground up in the mix. After feeding raw for so many years, I don't really pay that much attention to the amounts (I usually can tell by colour and consistency). I mix in 10 lb batches....so I start out with 10lbs of bone and meat and work from there. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:10:38 GMT -5
For starters I want to develop something just for my kids. If I can eventually get to the point of knowing the exact ratios and make sure all pre-portioned meals are nutritionally complete, then I would like to make it into a small business. I would assume, needing to know the ratios, you would need samples tested by another party or is this something you can calculate on your own?
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Post by Heather on Jul 30, 2012 11:14:43 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I do know that you have to cover government regulations regarding packaging and sterility. I honestly don't think they care otherwise. You see pet meats packaged at the farmers markets all the time. It appears to be rather buyer beware as to content. The only rules they seem to follow are the same rules that they have to cover to prepare food for human consumption. That would require some serious investigating. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:15:04 GMT -5
I was considering taking this program. I can't do it now due to finances but it might be worth it. I think I might do a little more research on the school providing it, but it SEEMS legitimate. www.gcnm.com/holistic-animal-chef.html
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Post by Heather on Jul 30, 2012 11:23:49 GMT -5
Sounds interesting....it would be a great advantage to you if you chose to go that route. It's application would be of great benefit if you chose to go the pet food direction. It doesn't look like they're talking raw though
HCA 21 Essentials of Holistic Cooking: Sanitation, Preparation, and Legal Practices: Find out how to structure your holistic animal food preparation business. Important aspects of beginning this work are described.
Now it may be that raw can be part of the discussion and they just don't want to advertise it as such?? I know the holistic nutritionist at my vets is not comfortable with raw diets. She does admit that her nutritional packages can be done up raw. She just goes into a total freak about various viruses and pathogens. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:28:19 GMT -5
Even if they don't focus (or even advocate) a raw diet, the information in the program could still be beneficial. And I could always develop cooked versions of my food for those who would prefer not to feed raw, but still want a "natural", whole food approach. My grandmother for example, would probably be interested in a cooked version of a whole food diet but would not be willing to try raw (she thinks it would make her dogs sick). One of her dogs had or still has pancreatitis and is on a special diet.
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Post by Heather on Jul 30, 2012 11:32:41 GMT -5
A raw diet is probably one of the best diets for a pancreatic dog but most people don't even want to consider it. No, I agree I think you could very easily incorporate the knowledge into a good raw diet as well as it being useful for cooked diets for sicker animals. Good luck, you've got some really decent ideas ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:35:21 GMT -5
Thanks. If I ever get this going, I'll be sure to post of my experience and success (or lack of, if it be the case).
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