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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 7, 2011 15:27:25 GMT -5
So there is some good news (kind of..) and there is some bad news... (maybe?)
good news... I think sly's cronic wasting isn't from his cancer... I think he has developed adrenal since his surgery. If he didn't develop it since - maybe it's just becoming apparent? we are off to the vet tonight. He has - become very lethargic, eats almost nothing (if i'm lucky, 1 mouse a day...) he lost hair on his chest - HUGE bald spot, came out of no where... and looks to have lost weight (i can easily feel his hips, rips and spine.. without really pressing down.
bad news... I think he also has IBS now.. ever since surgery, he has had loose, seedy stools, that can range from kibble brown, to green, to black. I've tried feeding different protiens with no luck, smashing bones, to get them firm - nope. i'm out of ideas..
They also REEK, like he can poop and I can smell it from down the hall, three rooms away.. This has been since right after surgery, and is getting worse. I thought it was antibiotics, but we've been off them a week... I don't know what else it could be. The vet tech thinks it's from raw, but he's never had poop smelling tht bad! (i could not do his litter for 4-5 days, and it would smell bad - but tolerable.. now, one poop i have to change the litter or people start gagging.
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Post by Heather on Mar 7, 2011 15:49:22 GMT -5
Adrenal also comes with a variety of stomach issues. Sometimes using the lupron or des will fix them up. Captain Jack and Sprite were both having rather IBD type symptoms but since their implant the symptoms have gone away. Unfortunately, Pooka's have not but then she's at the end of the disease. It's a day to day thing. For the benefit of the list would you mind updating as to what surgery Sly has had (it's just easier for those new coming in, and others who only read the threads occasionally) and what cancer you're referring to. It would really be appreciated by those responding to this thread and would also help those that are going to respond as well  Thanks  Both Katt and Jennifer have some really great ideas on dealing with IBD and they may be able to add some supplements that you've not tried yet. ciao |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 7, 2011 16:08:52 GMT -5
It's certainly possible the stress of the surgery has triggered IBD. Ask Katt  Good luck with this little guy- he's had a hard time of it. |
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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 7, 2011 16:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by Heather on Mar 7, 2011 16:24:45 GMT -5
Have you tried Essiac. I've heard both good and bad about it and it's not consistently one way or another. It seems very individualistic as to who it works for or not. Those that have got it to work rave about it.
ciao
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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 7, 2011 16:30:48 GMT -5
where would I find it?
and I don't know if i'm dealing with cancer 'right now'. would the Essiac tea help adrenal?
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Post by Heather on Mar 7, 2011 16:35:49 GMT -5
You can buy it at just about any health food or bulk store....hmmm...better check with Jennifer. I don't know if you can use it for adrenal. There is no sugar type ingredients but Jennifer is our in house specialist in regard to adrenal and she would know if it might have a positive bend on it. I was thinking just because adrenal is the side effects that you see as a result of the tumour, but, that being said it might do something to aggravate the hormonal issue.
ciao
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Post by Sherry on Mar 7, 2011 16:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by joclyn on Mar 7, 2011 18:35:48 GMT -5
if he's not eating properly, his bg will be lower than it should be; if he's not eating properly, he will lose weight;
if he's not eating properly, he can lose fur.
all three symptoms presenting can indicate various diseases...add to these the fact that the poo stinks?? i'd say it's definitely infection and an untreated infection will also cause all of these items to occur.
so, yeah, get to the vet! i'd check bg just for the heek of it and do a recheck in a about a month. i'd get a script for antibiotics (amoxi & metro) and maybe some carafate also (sooths/coats) and you may want to do some prednisolone for a bit. one to up his appetite; two to treat insu if that seems to be present; three it will also help with ibd if that is present. antibiotics are usually 14 days - after 21 days get the bg tested again and if that's normal you may be able to wean him off the prednisolone and monitor for a month to see if the insulinoma symptoms return - if they do, get another bg test done and if needed put him back on the prednisolone.
since he did just have surgery, infection is the most likely cause of the current issues. once you get that resolved, everything else should get back to normal!
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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 8, 2011 10:19:51 GMT -5
He's on some antibiotics again.
She doesn't think it's adrenal - even though she didn't look at him. This isn't my normal vet, and I was beyond disappointed at the difference of service and compassion.
I'm not sure what kind of antibiotic he is on (i think it starts with a c?) I also bought him some petrolyte - since I guess he is very dehydrated.
I made him some soupies with slippery elm bark, taurine and egg shells - I only had ground pork, so I used that. I might grab some chicken tonight.
She checked his guts, and said they were extremely upset, and they felt thick and gassy, Something that sort of pissed me off was that she was feeling around, then stoppped, with concern said "Oh no! what is this? that feels off.. hmm, i hope it's nothing bad.." and just quit talking. She didn't tell me what she felt, or if she thought it was a cancer or what... she just stopped talking and carreid on.
I want my vet back =[
I was also charged 80 dollars for a exam - because there were new symptoms, except she was like, oh these aren't really new.. I would just guess they are a spin off of the cancer. But because you said adrenal - we have to charge you 80 - not the recheck price. I was a bit choked... but I guess whatever.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Mar 8, 2011 10:57:48 GMT -5
sounds like the classic stomach/gastrointestinal issues that go hand in hand with adrenal disease. i wouldn't be surprised if he had ulcers. try carafate or pepto. carafate works better but you need a script for that. is he grinding his teeth? the muscle wasting can be from cancer but i'll bet it is from the adrenal. many people think that adrenal is only cosmetic and causes hair loss. but it really wreaks havoc on their bodies. i HATE adrenal disease!
I suggest you make him a raw soup blended well and syringe feed him 3 to 4 times a day. if he goes without eating it will make his stomach issues even worse! good luck and please keep us posted.
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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 8, 2011 16:41:10 GMT -5
I think he ate about 3 tbsps of ground pork soup (like) mix, it could have been the dog though.. It was in his cage so i'll hope it's him (since I didn't rescue the dog from the top level of the FN.)
Do you guys think that Bentonite Clay could help him with his GI upset?
Also, While looking for the clay, i'm going to look for that tea.
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Post by Sherry on Mar 8, 2011 23:32:41 GMT -5
jennifer is the best one to ask about the clay. Unfortunately, her job keeps her too busy for the forum for days at a time . Send her a message to get a faster answer. It's mustelidmusk. |
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Post by katt on Mar 9, 2011 5:37:48 GMT -5
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Post by kainslie1 on Mar 15, 2011 9:32:43 GMT -5
I just wanted to give everyone an update.
Yesterday I went back to the vet, and I got my regular vet. I was very happy, last week I went and got the other vet from this office, and wasn't very pleased. I'm not sure If I told you guys this or not, but she dismissed all my problems - and told me I don't have much time..
Well, I am almost certain he has adrenal.. he's lost almost 1/4 his hair in about 2 weeks...
Yesterday I went back and talked to my vet, she is VERY concered over little sly, because he has gone from 2087 grams to 967 (or 964) grams since feb 17. We are obviously nervous that his blood glucouse will plummit, and we will loose him.
So now I am attempting syringe feeding (but the syringe is realy really small...)
The vet said it is probably adrenal, and I told her that's waht I also thought - and i wanted a lupron shot. So I got what I wanted... 48 dollars later.
Yesterday, we was a bit more active, he walked around the room a bit, and he ate about 1 tsp. of my pathetic duck soup (carnivore care, and high quality wet cat food w/ water) and then ate about 1-2 ounces of his chicken quarter!! I was so happy to see him eating.
I also bought about 100 dollars worth of meds (stomach coater, fluids in his neck, and some antibiotic, also carnivore care) so hopefully - he's going to feel better.
The vet also said she felt a lump that she didn't think was there last time I saw HER (not the other vet) which she is concerned about. She said it could be cancer spread, or adrenal gland tumor.. so we will ahve to wait and see..
thanks for letting me rant =[ I am at least feeling better now he's getting food in this belly... let's hope it digests though.
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