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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 15:47:19 GMT -5
So, I was looking on Google to learn whether Egg shells is the same as Bone Meal nutrients wise, (my search words were: Bone Meal vs egg shells for pet food) and which is best for our pets, and I found this: www.5stardog.com/dog-food.aspIt is extremely long, and I barely skimmed it, but.... omg, GROSS!!! I read a paragraph here and there and.... wow.... I have no idea if it is all true, but I hope not!! Either way... NEVER again will I ever feed ANYONE kibble!!! I mean, I knew some of the horrors of kibble, but this is the worst I've read about. Does anyone know whether this is all true? It makes me nauseous just thinking of the things written in there!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 16:04:21 GMT -5
yup. Today i noticed a terrible smell while driving, and realized that a huge dump truck nearby (and I mean the kinds that dump dirt), was carrying tons of carcasses. Im pretty sure it was road kill carcasses, because it smelled so bad.
What goes into kibble is NOT healthy. I'm talking like, horses, birds, rabbits, wolves, deer, cats, dogs, even some other nasty creatures are put into the food. Theres a pet food plant some 24 miles away, and my fiancee just happens to live like, a few roads away. When they cook, the smell is SO terrible.
Personally, i didn't know that they put styrofoam in the food, but I am not surprised. thats why alot of the members here feed BARF. Some of us don't have a choice but to feed kibble, but im sure we all prefer to feed BARF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 18:42:59 GMT -5
I hesitate to lump all kibble into the same category. There is a big difference between what goes into Ol'Roy dog kibble and what goes into Taste of the Wild dog kibble. I do feed kibble with whole prey supplements, but I am very picky about what I put in the mix. Wysong epigen 90 is the best kibble out there that I have found.
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Post by Sherry on Mar 12, 2012 18:45:40 GMT -5
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Post by Heather on Mar 12, 2012 20:15:08 GMT -5
This study is out there; I used to have a copy.
"Because of persistent rumors that rendered by-products contain dead dogs and cats, the FDA
conducted a study looking for pentobarbital, the most common euthanasia drug, in pet foods.
They found it. Ingredients that were most commonly associated with the presence of pentobarbital
were meat-and-bone-meal and animal fat. However, they also used very sensitive tests to look
for canine and feline DNA, which were not found. Industry insiders admit that rendered pets and
roadkill were used in pet food some years ago. Although there are still no laws or regulations
against it, the practice is uncommon today, and pet food companies universally deny that their
products contain any such materials. However, so-called “D” animals (dead, dying, diseased,
disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients
for pet food."
It was pages of just names of pet foods and the ratios of drug found in the foods. So called high quality pet foods at the time and some not so high quality. These foods weren't limited to just dry foods, these were also moist cat and dog foods.
Can we forget the melanine scare? Dogs, cats dying suffering from kidney and liver failure. Do you know that it's still legal to use this in dog and cat food? It is, it's now regulated in smaller amounts but why use a chemical that is used to create everything from fire retardant tiles to infant formula. It raises raises the nitrogen levels which in turn raises protein levels. It's "cheaper" to raise the protein levels in this manner. It's now banned from the infant formula but it's not banned from your pet foods. Yes, it was a mistake and a cover-up caused by importing inferior quality produce from China but there's something far worse..there are acceptable levels in pet foods and it's still acceptable. I watched a friend, who was a foster for a small dog shelter, loose 3 senior dogs. She lost a couple of cats, because they would steal from the dogs' bowls, these "speciality" foods, these medicated foods designed to help these dogs. I was feeding raw, but I knew a lot of people who lost pets, close family dogs, cats and a few exotics. If they didn't loose them, these pets became very sick, some recovered marginally. I do not trust the pet food industry to do right by my furkids. Some of the information is horror story and is fabricated, but there is too much that is real.
ciao
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 0:53:10 GMT -5
I think every pet owner should read "Food Pets Die For" by Ann Martin, it goes into issues regarding the pet food industry in great (and horrifying) detail.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 1:39:45 GMT -5
I didn't read any of it, but I looked at the brands they named on there.
Those are all very low quality food brands that use the cheapest ingredients and fillers available. I'm kind of picky when choosing kibbles for my dog, cat, and ferrets. (Soon to be only dog and cat).
If it's not grain free, I won't feed it.
If there are any vague meat sources, I won't feed it. (Meat meal, poultry, etc). If it isn't NAMED, it's not going in their bowls.
Definitely no by-products.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 10:31:28 GMT -5
I agree with all of you, of course higher quality foods aren't in there, but some facts probably remain the same... spraying of fat on the kibble to make it seem appealing? Ewww!! The worst part of it all is that my parents' dog, Maggie (Bichon X min Poodle) eats a mixture of many foods. If she is served the same thing a few times in a row, she won't eat... Part of her food is Ziwipeak, but those disgusting foods like Purina soft things are in it too. I've tried getting my parents to get her good quality food, but.... you know, when someone's cheap about something, they're cheap about everything... My mom would do it willingly, but my dad hates spending 30$ on a bad on Ziwipeak... he calls it "Dog caviar"... Reading these things makes me think of poor Maggie  I tried to feed her raw chicken ground once, and she ate it, but my mom doesn't want to switch her to it... as much as I protest, I don't know if I'll be able to help Maggie And to think.... even now, thousands of pets eat this crap because owners either don't know, or don't care! I am SO glad I had the chance to work in a Pet Planet when I was younger. I learned a lot about pet nutrition, and it pushed me to learn even more.... Sherry, thanks for the link. I will gladly look that over! Weezily, do you have a link to your document? I would gladly read that too! Maybe if I send my mom some "Food for thought" (literally....  ) she may revise Maggie's food once and for all!  Just for fun, here are a few pictures of Maggie  Maggie in all her glory! She was about 6 years old here (now 9 1/2 years old)   And here is one of my favorite poses... she's hunting in da snow!  Finally, as pretty as she is, she is no princess.... lake goo and mud are the BEST! (her muzzle and paws were a very dark lime-green... ;D ;D ;D)   |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 15:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 18:26:51 GMT -5
Awesome! Thanks Klaudia!! |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 13, 2012 19:31:18 GMT -5
Maggie may not be a "princess", but she IS adorable!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 22:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks... and she's got the personality to go with it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:31:58 GMT -5
There is a documentary called "Pet Food: A Dog's Breafast" it used to be on youtube but was removed but you can see it here. Basically they talk about pet food industry practises, why the pet food recall in 2007 was so wide spread and why the food killed so many pets. Then they show us how old leather boots, sawdust and machine oil can pass the analysis test to get made into dog food. Yum! That being said, you REALLY have to know about the company you are buying from when you purchase kibble/ canned food. This means not only making sure the ingredients are good, but also making sure the actual company is ethical and has high standards in production. Atm both my cats and ferret eat kibble, along with pre made raw. The kibble is Orijen, and they seem to be a very good company that knows what they are doing. They don't make canned food because they can't produce it themselves, and they won't co-pack like other brands. (Co-packing is part of the problem with pet food recalls, which you will see in the documentary if you have time to watch it.) |
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Post by miamiferret2 on Mar 30, 2012 12:00:54 GMT -5
I hesitate to lump all kibble into the same category. There is a big difference between what goes into Ol'Roy dog kibble and what goes into Taste of the Wild dog kibble. I do feed kibble with whole prey supplements, but I am very picky about what I put in the mix. Wysong epigen 90 is the best kibble out there that I have found. i don't trust anything anymore. the video that i saw about the woman who worked at a pet food manufacturer really ticked me off when she showed how they LIE about the food listing order. for example, the first two or three ingredients can be meat, and then then the third or fourth is peas or potatoes. but she showed that the quantity of potatoes, corn, whatever that 3rd or 4th ingredient is, is actually ALOT MORE than the meat content! can you believe that!? especially the dehydrated potatoes (think Idaho spuds mashed potato flakes) and the corn/grain, flours, wheat. because, if i remember correctly, she said that they go by weight. so the alleged meat will weigh alot more than twice as much dehydrated potatoes or the corn meal/flour. so your pet is eating more of the grains and starches than the alleged "meat" I don't trust brand names either. it is all a big crock to me. even human products. for example, I live in Florida - big citrus industry. my sister in law's sister lives up in Ocala and she works for the citrus industry. do you know that the Premium orange juice (tropicana) is the SAME juice that they put in the generic OJ cartons at the grocery store? the juice comes out of the same machines! they just switch out the boxes. you pay for the label. how ridiculous is that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 15:56:47 GMT -5
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