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Post by crazylady on Feb 10, 2012 15:29:03 GMT -5
Hi I have known an odd sandy pop up in sable litters and on tracing back down the lines its often found that great grandma ( or granddad ) had a touch of the albino on one side only the rest of the litter turned out to be black sables lol a lot of people forget not all sables are infact black a lot in the wild are dark browny/ black and the sandy that popped up in the sable litter had a navy colouration in the eyes it was not your classic split litter but it was defiantly something that made my friend scratch his head lol just goes to prove throw backs can happen any where in a line lol take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 21:45:48 GMT -5
Hmmm... This is all very interesting to read. When I have more time, I'll be going back through this thread & reading the links. So far, I've only skimmed, but it's all so fascinating.
I do question though, what happens to the defective individuals that are produced?
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Post by miamiferret2 on Feb 10, 2012 21:58:41 GMT -5
Well, breeders that are only out to make $ (ie Marshall farms) I guess you'll make a new "fancy" color out of the "defective" ones.
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Post by Heather on Feb 10, 2012 22:02:10 GMT -5
That's the problem....they're our pet ferrets They're all the fancy marked fuzzies that we adore, the DEWs, the angoras, the sandies (champagnes), the blazes....look at the photos. All our little sweeties....they're the defects, the Waardenburg babies....they're the result ciao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 3:01:13 GMT -5
...a lot of people forget not all sables are infact black a lot in the wild are dark browny/ black... Yeah good point, look at this gorgeous polecat from Wales, he almost looks like a "point" ferret! ;D I know he's wild and would likely tear my hand off but he's so gorgeous
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Post by Heather on Feb 11, 2012 3:15:27 GMT -5
Now that's nice....really nice ciao
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Post by Sherry on Feb 11, 2012 10:04:26 GMT -5
Oh, that is gorgeous
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 11:55:16 GMT -5
What a beautiful animal. Thats what a real raw diet and exercise will do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 18:54:00 GMT -5
very nice picture!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 2:23:58 GMT -5
I would think that even breeding Sables, plain, straight Sables much like mine, there would be defective animals produced. Animals with misaligned jaws, twisted spines, hip & shoulder faults, defective wrist or ankle joints, plus animals who have sensory & nervous problems, but immune system defects & so on. What happens to those ones? I'm assuming they are humanely euthanaised, kept by the breeder or sent off the special needs homes, but certaintly such ones pop up on the occassion.
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Post by Sherry on Feb 13, 2012 9:58:01 GMT -5
Boojum, you are talking about two different things. TripleF is a mill with 6000 ferrets. Phaedra is talking about small scale breeders along the lines that they have in Europe and Australia.
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Post by Heather on Feb 13, 2012 12:41:22 GMT -5
You will find that small time breeders do many of the things dog breeders do. They humanely euthenize the ones that are too damaged to keep as pets. Ferret mommas are also very good at telling the ones that aren't going to make it. They will sometimes refuse to care for the wee ones that are terribly damaged, they get pushed off to the side. If momma is left to her own decisions and she's a good fertmom, she will take care of the severely damaged ones herself. Cats do the same thing. Those first few days are critical, if the ferret kit is too damaged to suckle it will die. Many of the long time breeders will tell you there is a certain time frame where it's next to impossible to hand raise kits without the assistance of the jill. I'm not saying it's not done but it's next to impossible to hand raise newborn ferret kits that have been refused by the jill. It's the heartbreaking side of breeding....having to destroy what was created If you check breeder listings they will often list the litter numbers. 5 kits....2 male, 2 female....1 didn't make it. It's a fact of life. We look at these wee kits that we get but we don't see the heartbreaking background. There is a reason why litters are more than one...so that the species can survive. Malformations, physical and mental happen. Little ones don't pull through. It's part of the package....you take the good with the bad. ciao
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Post by crazylady on Feb 13, 2012 16:05:52 GMT -5
Hi I am one of these old time breeders I dont mess around with moms when kits are born for the firt three weeks there hers ( unless I know a mom is cofortable with me taking a look) but nine times out of ten I leave well alone if you dont know how many she has you dont know if she has disposed of any defected ones they
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Post by crazylady on Feb 13, 2012 16:14:13 GMT -5
oops only half my post was posted lol they seem to sense if anything is wrong with a kit and the strong will survive I like to think its natures way of ensuring ood breeding stock survives you have to remember out in the wild a lot of litters dont survive due to may problems lack of food mom becoming prey ect I let nature take its course if a kit is defective mum will deal with it she wont waste valuable nourishment or time on something she senses is not right and as I stated if I dont know how many ar there to begin with I dont miss what I didnt know about !mom makes the choices take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 16:50:19 GMT -5
My bad. APOLOGIES ALL! I am such a goof sometimes. I forgot this was the breeders thread. Context is everything right? I understand about mommas doing what has to be done... it's the selection process. Apologies again.
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