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Post by Heather on Nov 6, 2011 9:45:59 GMT -5
I thought she looked like a marshals but you saying she was such a little terror made we wonder as they have a reputation of being...mild mannered and sweet (of course they're still ferrets ) She rather looked like my Babushka and Calypso...both were very dark, very pretty little fuzzes. Both had the sweet temperament of the marshals fuzz too....well...Babushka was crusty but she loved her humans. Heather, your wee ones are bred on dark sables are they not, possible poley? You can see trace of the mask in the one photo. The angle of the other doesn't allow you to see it in the next. The selfs have no white or gold undercoat, they're black. Your wee ones are cute ciao
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Post by lorelei0922 on Nov 6, 2011 11:52:23 GMT -5
yes mine are hybrids, Dark Poley ( Dark Sable to you in the states) and EU Polecat crosses. very robust creatures they are...
The jill has the very tiniest hint of a mask... her mother never developed anything further... and the hob has none as yet.. though it may show up later in life.
I'd love a proper self black black black ferret.. but wont sacrafice genetic health for it. and haven't been able to find a ferretry i'm happy to go the distance for. you wont be finding them in the UK...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 12:14:57 GMT -5
Awe! Those two are just the cutest! Great pair Lorelei! It's truly is too bad there are no breeders of anything other than dogs here in Canada. Everything else you want to get must be bought from a pet store... Some people give away cats, but they're more likely than not accidental litters, not planned breeding.... Maybe in time Sandra
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Post by crazylady on Nov 6, 2011 14:59:53 GMT -5
Please god let England stay self free ! black sables can easily be bred by using the right lines ( this is why I dont understand the need for using selfs in the breeding ) its simply throwing in a time bomb destroying a gene pool and waiting to see what will happen ! is it worth it for the sake of colour and ribbon ? when you can achieve the same result by selective breeding over a few years I know of only one angora breeder in England ( well she breeds halfs and 3/4 ) but her death rates among litters is shocking ( natures way of saying this should not be ?) and the angoras are not popular over here ( although extremely expensive ) many judges refuse to judge them in normal shows in fact very few shows have classes for them to me colour isn't everything bone structure longevity and health come first give me a nice big cuddly kissy ferret any day don't matter what colour it is ! take care bye for now Bev
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Post by lorelei0922 on Nov 6, 2011 15:03:35 GMT -5
I'm with you Bev... no need for the selfs with the genetic problems just waiting to spring up at you... which is why i haven't gone the route of finding one lol
and you're right we can get a decent lovely dark ferret through selective breeding it simply takes a bit of patience.. ie Cieara and Ciaran...
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Post by joan on Nov 6, 2011 15:15:57 GMT -5
From what I was told in the past few years when I followed up on dark or black kits on UK forums and ads, quite a number of black selfs have been brought into the UK to produce darker ferrets. Many of the resultant kits and subsequent generations were/are touted as Eu polecats or hybrids, which they clearly are not...the majority have the typical narrow head with European mink type features and very little white, along with poor structure and narrow bodies, lacking in rib spring and muscling.
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Post by joan on Nov 6, 2011 15:28:16 GMT -5
Jackie, I'd consider Dixie to be a fairly dark sable. She looks quite a bit like many of the jill kits I got in my early litters, other than she has a lighter nose. Since Doug McKay sold a lot of breeding stock to MF in the 1990s, I'd guess that she goes back to his sable lines quite strongly, both in type and personality. They had strong characters and were very active, not at all the docile personalities of most MF ferrets. Most of mine had excellent temperaments, were fairly easy to nip/bite train, and were quite people oriented.
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Post by crazylady on Nov 6, 2011 15:33:25 GMT -5
Hi joan no doubt there maybe some but there are also a lot of breeders who claim there stock are Eu polecats ( apparently this is now the in word to use if selling kits ! you get more money for them ) half the time there simply dark bred polecats but by adding in the letters Eu the price goes up and who can tell any diffrent ? I judged a show in poland and was introduced to the so called rare polish golden took me a lot of tounge biting not to laugh I just looked at the organiser and said well if its rare I have a dozen at home and non are from poland it was simply a chunky polecat with a golden under coat ! ( lots of hybrid polecats get golden/ yellow undercoats in breeding season ) the same can be said of those who sell so called self xs over here self is another I want word who can prove any different ? you have to take the breeders word for it ( unless you really know what you are looking for ) there are lots of kits born with smaller than average heads due to miss matched breeding and poor diet this is why when I must go away from my lines to bring in new blood I only stick to people I trust 100% those who I know are only interested in improving genetics and health and longevity you would be surprised just how many breeders are horrified over the use of the self in lines because its destroying gene pools take care bye for now Bev
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