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Post by goingpostal on Jun 20, 2011 22:33:17 GMT -5
Pips been doing this weird chattering thing with his mouth, I've looked it all over, nothing looks funny other than both of his canines? The big teeth in the front are discolored brown and icky, and one is broken off a little and has been for awhile, still seeing him eat and whatnot though and can't tell if that's what the problem is? And he doesn't do it all the time but it is a new behavior for him. I got a little vid but it's not very good, I'm going to try to get James to help me get a better one, for the amount of time it takes to load on photobucket I want you to clearly see what's going on, you can make him do it if you mess with his mouth. It doesn't seem like he is controlling it and it doesn't last very long.
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Post by Heather on Jun 20, 2011 23:09:44 GMT -5
It can be a pain response. Sometimes gum infections are not visible and are painful. He may be able to control which side of his mouth he's eating from (Napoleon did) but if you touch his mouth it may set the pain off. His jaw may be out of alignment and causing him pain. You may want to take him to the vet to see if there is indeed an internal issue either caused by his teeth or his jaw. I had a little one who actually had an ulcer up on the underside of her lip right by the jaw, most of the time nothing happened but she would chatter if she hit it against something. I would never have found it without the assist of my vet as I couldn't hold her and look in the right place. She would also wiggle and squirm making things even more difficult.
ciao
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Post by goingpostal on Jun 21, 2011 8:55:56 GMT -5
I'm thinking I'm going to bring him in, I sat and really watched him last night and got a little worried, he seems more sleepy than normal and also maybe some hind end weakness, he did dig into the rabbit but then just seemed to want to go lay down so I fed him some canned food which he ate great, and then he was running around and being crazy like normal so I don't know. He had a BG test a little over 2 months ago and was at like 120, could insulinoma hit that fast?
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Post by Sherry on Jun 21, 2011 8:57:21 GMT -5
It would depend on how aggressive it was I think. But it's more likely that bad tooth could well be acting up on him.
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Post by goingpostal on Jun 21, 2011 13:42:14 GMT -5
Well he seems alert now, but chattering when he pottied, chattering after, he's definitely going in, he seems uncomfortable about something, he did paw at his mouth a bit just now. I weighed him this morning and going to try to do that daily just in case he isn't eating well and I took out stuff to make some raw soupies, thankfully they were already supposed to get chicken thigh today but haven't made it through the rabbit. I'm going to make that tonight after work.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jun 21, 2011 14:09:07 GMT -5
that is very strange. let us know what happens.
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Post by Heather on Jun 21, 2011 21:38:49 GMT -5
Please keep us posted as to what is found out. A healing candle is lit for your wee one, hopefully it turns out to be nothing or easily solved
ciao
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Post by goingpostal on Jun 21, 2011 22:03:07 GMT -5
Well I feel dumb, maybe he is just grinding his teeth? I've only had one insulinomic and she didn't ever do this, but I don't know, it sounds like grinding teeth but his mouth is a little open when he does it. I got a vid, but it's uploading right now so it'll be a little while before I post but if you turn it up you can hear it and you can see him hobbling a bit, the head shaking he does is new though. He eats eagerly enough though. I showed James him walking and he agrees he seems weak. I'm keeping a close eye on him and going to try to bring him in next week provided he doesn't go downhill in the meantime.
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Post by Heather on Jun 21, 2011 22:09:14 GMT -5
It could indeed be teeth grinding  Any other symptoms other than the weakness when walking? Pooka (was adrenal) and her main issue was ulcers. The poor wee thing would grind her teeth almost all the time and yes, they can do it with what appears to be a slightly open mouth. The sound that she made was indeed the sound of grinding teeth, it was a rather gross screaching sound, I liken it to claws on a blackboard  ciao |
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jun 21, 2011 22:16:44 GMT -5
does it sound like sandpaper? or if you take a thick piece of paper hold it up and then scrape your finger on it? is that what it sounds like?
that is the sign of stomach upset. either ulcers or blockage. my insulinoma ferrets would also make that sound. they do it when they are nauseous.
take your ferret to the vet.
what do the poops look like?
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Post by Sherry on Jun 21, 2011 22:18:08 GMT -5
Tooth grinding is frequently linked to pain, unfortunately Please keep us updated on what the vet has to say? |
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jun 21, 2011 22:18:10 GMT -5
if he is dragging his legs then i'd put my money on a low blood glucose. in that case, you are playing with fire. i'd take him to the vet before this turns into an emergency at 4 oclock in the morning or on 4th of july weekend when nothing is open. because that is usually what happens.  |
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Post by goingpostal on Jun 21, 2011 22:53:52 GMT -5
It sounds like he's clicking his teeth together, not really sand paper or screechy. His poop looked normal this morning, brown, moist but firm and he's not dragging his back legs, he just doesn't seem to have the same strength in them. But went dooking and running and crashing about when I tried to show James, he still noticed it though. James thought he seemed overall weak or clumsy, not just his legs. He's pretty gung ho about eating, which seems odd if his teeth or tummy were bothering him. He does seem to have less energy.
Between my jobs and people gone, I can't get him to my vet this week I don't think, Fri I only work one but earliest I can leave would be 1pm and the vet doesn't work Fri. afternoon. I could call and get another rx for pediapred and start him on a low dose? The vet in town doesn't have a in house glucose test, I don't have a meter either.
If this is insulinoma, it kind of makes me wonder if I'm wasting my time doing BG tests every 6 months at exams, seems like having your own meter and testing monthly would be a better approach.
Still trying to get that vid loaded, it failed the first time for some reason and so is taking forever again!
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Post by goingpostal on Jun 21, 2011 23:05:00 GMT -5
Got it!  |
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jun 22, 2011 10:38:27 GMT -5
too much noise in the background i could not here much. i heard some clicks? i would really take him to the vet. he is not using his hind legs very well. his stomach also appears to be scrunched up. is it possible that he has a partial blockage? how does his stomach feel? is it loose and relaxed or is it tight and hard? does he have discomfort when you touch his stomach?
how long has he been like this? what do his stools look like? do they have black globs, strings or 'coffee ground' looking things?
has he fallen recently? any accidents? acting lethargic?
make a note of all these things and report them to your vet.
seriously, take your ferret in asap!
again, i can't hear the video very well but when a ferret grinds their teeth it makes a sandpapery sound not a clicking sound. they also tend to stay in one place for a longer time and grind their teeth. i did not see him do that here.
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Any other symptoms other than the weakness when walking? Pooka (was adrenal) and her main issue was ulcers. The poor wee thing would grind her teeth almost all the time and yes, they can do it with what appears to be a slightly open mouth. The sound that she made was indeed the sound of grinding teeth, it was a rather gross screaching sound, I liken it to claws on a blackboard 