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Post by pegleg on Oct 20, 2017 20:23:55 GMT -5
I'll get a can of what I can get. I do get NV instinct raw for the ferrets, the cat formula. And they LOVE it but the cat won't even sniff it.
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Post by LindaM on Oct 20, 2017 23:12:07 GMT -5
No, I don't mean the raw for the pouches from NV Instinct, I mean these: www.instinctpetfood.com/cats/wet-treatsThe Wet Pouches. You may have better success with the pouches which are bits of meat than a can of pate. Cat won't be touching the raw ones for a while I'd imagine, mine certainly doesn't want that yet, LOL.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 21, 2017 14:30:06 GMT -5
One thing that mainly concerns me is that I might not have the finances for the amount of dry food mixing regularly might waste if he refuses to at it. He is in a more expensive food, that I need to get from ordering off amazon. So admittedly while I want to switch him... There's a limit.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 22, 2017 16:47:29 GMT -5
If I were to get a whole chicken, what parts could they eat and what parts would I need to hammer first?
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Post by LindaM on Oct 22, 2017 22:15:40 GMT -5
Never fed mine a whole chicken (whole cornish game hen, sure), we have some chicken issues in the house as Athena seems to have a somewhat sensitivity to it, thus it's a mostly avoided protein for us (we have plenty of others we can use to make sure there is variety). I know they can have the wings, ribs, neck, and that some will also eat the thighs, though that one may need to be busted up with the hammer a bit as it is weight-bearing.
As for when offering kitty some wet with kibble, don't mix in with the usual full amount of kibble, try with a smaller amount first, that way it's less waste. But not gonna lie, it may cost some to get him switched, as it does with all animals, especially the difficult ones. So the choice is up to you on how much you wish to try.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 23, 2017 19:38:22 GMT -5
That's my main concern. I'm on a pretty limited income I want to get him switched but... He's really against it. And alright. That's why I got game hen before, so they could have the whole bird... If I get a whole chicken I know my dog can take the legs and thighs. She's had both before I'm just looking at good bony meal options
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Post by pegleg on Oct 23, 2017 19:55:58 GMT -5
1. Ferret's name: Thackery (10 Weeks) 2. Ferret's weight: 816 grams 3. Ferret's Daily Medications: N/A 4. Ferret has eaten "X" amount on average per meal: Didn't weigh it, but he eats unlimited 5. Stools on various proteins: Good color and consistency 6. Activity levels: Extremely active, very vocal when playing. 7. Weekly menu: Sunday AM: Ground Rabbit Sunday PM: Ground Beaver Monday AM: Instinct Frozen Raw Cat Food Monday PM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Tuesday AM: Venison heart chunks Tuesday PM: Chicken wings Wednesday AM: Ground beaver Wednesday PM: 2 Whole Prey mice Thursday PM: Liver and Pancreas Thursday PM: Game hen leg Friday AM: Venison Chunks Friday PM: Game hen ribs Saturday AM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Saturday PM: Whole prey silverside fish
1. Ferret's name: Binx (13 Weeks) 2. Ferret's weight: 981 grams 3. Ferret's Daily Medications: N/A 4. Ferret has eaten "X" amount on average per meal: Didn't weigh it, but he eats unlimited 5. Stools on various proteins: Good color and consistency 6. Activity levels: Extremely active. When out, war dances around the house and gets into EVERYTHING. 7. Weekly menu: Sunday AM: Ground Rabbit Sunday PM: Ground Beaver Monday AM: Instinct Frozen Raw Cat Food Monday PM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Tuesday AM: Venison heart chunks Tuesday PM: Chicken wings Wednesday AM: Ground beaver Wednesday PM: Ground beaver Thursday PM: Liver and Pancreas Thursday PM: Game hen leg Friday AM: Venison Chunks Friday PM: Game hen ribs Saturday AM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Saturday PM: Whole prey silverside fish
I will try to get pictures... they aren't helpful in that department
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Post by pegleg on Oct 29, 2017 20:53:32 GMT -5
1. Ferret's name: Thackery (13 Weeks) 2. Ferret's weight: 947 grams 3. Ferret's Daily Medications: N/A 4. Ferret has eaten "X" amount on average per meal: Didn't weigh it, but he eats unlimited 5. Stools on various proteins: Good color and consistency 6. Activity levels: Extremely active, very vocal when playing. 7. Weekly menu: Sunday AM: Instinct Frozen Raw Sunday PM: Ground Beaver Monday AM: Ground Chicken Monday PM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Tuesday AM: Venison heart chunks Tuesday PM: Chicken Ribs Wednesday AM: Ground beaver Wednesday PM: Whole Prey mice Thursday PM: Liver and Kidney Thursday PM: Game hen ribs and backbone Friday AM: Pork chops Friday PM: Chicken thigh Saturday AM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Saturday PM: Whole prey silverside fish
1. Ferret's name: Binx (16 Weeks) 2. Ferret's weight: 1047 grams 3. Ferret's Daily Medications: N/A 4. Ferret has eaten "X" amount on average per meal: Didn't weigh it, but he eats unlimited 5. Stools on various proteins: Good color and consistency 6. Activity levels: Extremely active. When out, war dances around the house and gets into EVERYTHING. 7. Weekly menu: Sunday AM: Instinct Frozen Raw Sunday PM: Ground Beaver Monday AM: Ground Chicken Monday PM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Tuesday AM: Venison heart chunks Tuesday PM: Chicken Ribs Wednesday AM: Ground beaver Wednesday PM: Whole Prey mice Thursday PM: Liver and Kidney Thursday PM: Game hen ribs and backbone Friday AM: Pork chops Friday PM: Chicken thigh Saturday AM: Balanced homemade venison soupies Saturday PM: Whole prey silverside fish
(SO I JUST LOOKED AT THEIR PAPERS AND REALIZED I HAD THEIR AGES WRONG BEFORE. they are correct now) Binx was born July 9 and Thackery July 30
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Post by LindaM on Oct 30, 2017 22:40:59 GMT -5
Sorry I've been so quiet lately, I've kinda been drowning in work deadlines and some life stuff. I have a biometrics appointment at the USCIS building tomorrow, so it's been a bit of a stressful time.
It sounds like both fuzzles are doing good. We need to look at your menu again though, it's not currently balanced. You have 8 alternative meals in there with only 3 bone-in, instead of the discussed 7 alternative with 4 bone-in, which throws off the balance of it all again. One of the grinds/soupies should be a bone-in meal.
You are still planning on picking up some bone-in pieces of raw through an online order for the coming month, correct? We really need to get these babies munching more bone-in meals and have more variety in it. I think rabbit is gonna be a good bet for you, since they've eaten rabbit grinds before. I'm not sure if MPC sells whole quails, I know Hare Today does, those are another lovely option for bone-in meals. Duck is also a good option. Personally, I'm more prone to use HT over MPC because I feel they have a larger selection, but that may just be me. You may score a bit if you can order the whole animal and chop it up yourself versus buying already pre-chopped, you'll need to check though.
Are both boys eating the mice without issues? Any plans of introducing other WP items to them?
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Post by pegleg on Oct 31, 2017 19:20:26 GMT -5
Whole prey doesn't count as bone in? I thought it did.
So last week would have been: wings, mice in thack's case, game hen leg, game hen ribs, and fish.
Then this week would have been: Ribs, mice for both, ribs and backbone, thigh, and fish.
I'll look into hare today! But yes that's still the plan. Sadly for now chicken and game hen are really my only boney options. And of course whole prey.
Binx will eat mice as long as they're chopped! Thack just eats. And I may try rats, but availability is a problem.
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Post by LindaM on Oct 31, 2017 20:55:03 GMT -5
They do and they don't.. Whole Prey meals are exactly that, Whole Prey meals. They have bone in them yes, but they also have heart and organs, they are in essence a "complete meal", not simply a bone-in. Do you remember that chart I linked before? When you have a Frankenprey menu but are also offering alternative meals such as Whole Prey or Grinds, they need to be balanced with one another. If you look at that chart, you'll notice your menu is no longer balanced because of the change you had made, dropping one of the bone-in meals in favor of another alternative meal.
As you listed for last week: Bone-in, Whole Prey, Bone-in, Bone-in, Whole Prey. Three bone-in only, and two Whole Prey.
Same goes for this week then, meaning your menu isn't balanced anymore. If you have the amount of alternative (WP & Grinds) that you do right now which I count 8, you STILL need 4 bone-in meals, but the heart meal and the organ meal would turn into a half-meal each. So the point remains, they simply need more bone-in meals, period. And at their age, their bone-in meals are still very important to have to help them grow strong.
Any idea when you might be able to order some raw online for them?
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Post by pegleg on Oct 31, 2017 21:08:05 GMT -5
Ohhh alright. I thought they could just count as a bone in. Thanks for clearing that up!
And it'll be tomorrow. That's when I get paid.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 31, 2017 21:18:03 GMT -5
I do plan on getting them away from grinds and following the guide on this page: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/146/meat-bone-organ-weekly-menuI'll be able to get: turkey, game hen, chicken, and MAYBE frog legs. There's a place in town that sometimes carries them. And the hare today website is too expensive for me When you gotta do the 10lb min... I wouldn't even have space for that in my freezer.
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Post by LindaM on Oct 31, 2017 21:18:23 GMT -5
Nope, sorry hon. While Whole Prey certainly is the ideal diet as a whole, when it comes to mixing it with regular Frankenprey meals, they need to be balanced with one another as, any unbalanced diet can lead to health issues. If you do want to later, and can afford it, you could feed a 100% WP diet to the furballs, but it can be costly and you do still need a variety of proteins.
That's alright then, you can still order from MPC, right? Let me have a look at which types of meat you plan on getting before you order, just in case, okay? I'm not going anywhere tomorrow, and the hubby will be away from home with the car.. so I'll have time to be at my computer. : P
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Post by pegleg on Oct 31, 2017 21:25:12 GMT -5
I'm just ordering a WP rabbit I can get turkey necks and wings in town.
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