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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 16, 2017 12:19:41 GMT -5
The boys and Tinker have play times since they get along fine, but we're still working on integrating Monday. Hopefully with time she'll accept them, but it's slow going as she stresses easily. Tink hasn't necessarily *refused* per se, but her idea is to clean the meat from the bones and leave the bones. Even her momma looks annoyed about it when she finds them! I think Tinky was just going through a silly picky toddler phase. She's gotten better.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 16, 2017 12:21:37 GMT -5
And oh yes, those turkey necks are HUGE. They are the same size as Sammy! One turkey neck, if I gave it whole, looks like it's about a week of meals! Hare Today lists them as 1.5-2 lbs per turkey neck. So yes, actually, that IS as big as Sammy!!!
I'm tempted to put a whole one in there just to see itty bitty Tinker try to stash it!
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 21, 2017 12:09:31 GMT -5
Oh goodness, how time flies. Oops.
I've added turkey grind back into the rotation for the kitty. She's had 3 meals so far of it, and so far so good. I thought I woke up to some puke the other morning, but since it was like 3am and it wasn't there when I got up for REAL, I think I imagined it. It was hairball-esque, so it's not like she would have eaten it. And let's be real, the chance of Mike cleaning it up are about 1%.
Weasels have had some turkey grind as well, which they love of course. But it gives them runny poop. Has bone in it, but not enough to keep it firm.
Oh boy, spoke too soon, cat just had all of her turkey come right back up. *sigh*. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on this one, perhaps it was a bit too cold for her and she ate too fast. She did dive for it.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 21, 2017 12:15:08 GMT -5
Don't give the turkey for a couple of weeks then. If she tosses the turkey again I'd keep it off the menu for a few months. How are the fuzz doing?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 21, 2017 12:34:30 GMT -5
She ate it again. Oh, cats. Since she always seems to eat it after she pukes it back up like this, is there something that I can do to help her with it? It never comes up after she eats what she's regurgitated. No other signs of food intolerance, either, like I'd expect. I don't know, maybe I'm off base here, but what could make her regurgitate it and then re-eat it like that?
Weasels doing good. Tinker is starting to get a little greasy, so I have a feeling she may be thinking about coming into season. Hopefully that's not the case. I keep trying to tell her it's winter here, and keeping lights off!
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Post by Sherry on Nov 22, 2017 11:42:41 GMT -5
Oh okay! I hadn't realized she was simply regurgitating lol. Not an issue then Many cats will actually do that. And I didn't realize you had an intact ferret! What breeder is she from?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 24, 2017 9:06:28 GMT -5
Good morning! So, I'm putting my HT order together. I know I need more proteins. Instead of doing turkey as a boneless meal, can I do, say... goat? Or beef? And, would it count toward my protein variety, even if I'm not feeding BONES in that protein? Could they all consume bones from goats our other species, or are the bones going to be too much?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 24, 2017 9:21:37 GMT -5
Oh okay! I hadn't realized she was simply regurgitating lol. Not an issue then Many cats will actually do that. And I didn't realize you had an intact ferret! What breeder is she from? So as long as it's regurgitating, it's ok, but actual vomit isn't, right? Earlier on it was actual vomit. Everywhere. Yes, my baby Tinker! She was one of the jills from Monday's final litter this year. Tinker and Monday both came over from England, from Devon Country Ferrets. Monday was spayed prior to flying over as I knew I'd have a hard time finding a vet who would be comfortable spaying a 3 year old who's had multiple litters, but Tink still has all those lady parts and we're waiting as long as possible to spay her.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 25, 2017 10:37:29 GMT -5
Yes, regurgitating is fairly normal And cool! Are you going to do a chemical spay with her?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 25, 2017 12:30:39 GMT -5
It depends on what happens, really. I want to wait as long as possible, but I am strongly considering a surgical spay. There's a good chance she'll end up with a des first, if she goes into season before. I'm shooting for late winter to spay, but her body may have other plans. She'll have a des on board regardless. Her mom needs to get hers too still. I had one left over from Peter's pack, but was waiting to use that on Tink instead of Monday. I have a feeling our Dr may have just found someone to sell that one to though (so, Tink will probably cone into season as soon as that client uses the implant haha), so I'll have to order a 2pack anyway.
I'm really still on the fence about spay options. I don't want to worry about monitoring to see when the des wears off and worry about not being able to get another one (like what happened a few years ago). But I'm also a nervous nellie with anesthesia. I believe the breeder would prefer surgical spay, but they lived differently over there too and no artificial lighting etc.
If she ends up in season earlier than I want to spay, I'll just implant and probably wait another 6 months to year before spaying.
I have one Dr willing to do it, one who adamantly doesn't want to, one who doesn't want to but will if it's the last choice, and a friend of that doctor who I've never met but apparently when she heard mention of an intact ferret she lit up like a Christmas tree at the opportunity to handle her lol. My kids have my Drs all edgy hahaha. They are really glad I have youngsters right now so they don't need to go on daily research missions!
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 25, 2017 12:32:03 GMT -5
Hey, our emojis are back!
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Post by Sherry on Nov 26, 2017 10:10:42 GMT -5
With females, des often acts really weird. I've heard of some coming back into season in a year, and some who've never come back in. So it is up in the air as to which is best. The one drawback is pyo is a possibility with an intact female. On the other hand, if she is surgically spayed, she will need yearly des to hopefully prevent adrenal. And yes, Jason(bitbyter, our forum tech) finally had the time to redo the main emojis
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 26, 2017 10:30:05 GMT -5
My biggest concern is a pyo, honestly. Especially since we seem to be running a sirens on those at work this month... we have had at least one a week come in and need emergency surgery since mid October. The concern with that, is if she ends up needing to be surgically spayed down the road I'll have a harder time finding someone to do it. Either way, she'll need a des regularly, so I'm leaning toward the option where I don't have to stress about the pyo thing!
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Post by Sherry on Nov 27, 2017 11:09:19 GMT -5
So surgery and then yearly implant Okay, got a few questions for you to test your diet knowledge 1. What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? 2. How can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone? 3. List 3 organs aside from liver. 4. How much can a ferret's appetite and weight change seasonally? 5. How long does each type of meat generally stay good: raw soup, ground meat, med-large chunks, bone-in meats, whole prey?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Nov 27, 2017 20:10:47 GMT -5
Funny enough, my normal Dr asked today if I was going to end up spaying her. We had the same discussion: concern about pyo, implant not being available. In terms of spay/neuter discussions, I was actually really impressed (but shouldn't be surprised, really) at her true curiosity and inquiry. It was just a conversation, mutually participated in. I love our Drs. I know I work with them so can be biased, but I truly am lucky to have so many great Drs to learn from and learn with.
Oh, a quiz! I'm gonna have to research some of those answers!
Ugh, the cat. We're done with turkey. No more. Officially. She had turkey and pork last night. Didn't touch breakfast. She was quiet this morning as Mike was getting ready for work, she's usually on the bed vying for his attention and then snoozing at my feet. She stayed in her bed, got up briefly when I got up, then back to her bed. I figured it was just too early and not our routine. I guess it was her not feeling well. A few minutes after I got home she ran into the living room (on the rug of course) and I heard "the meow". You know the one. Up came whatever she ate last night. And it STUNK. Oh my goodness, was it rank. I've never smelled cat vomit like that. Some chunks that looked undigested. She disappeared again after, probably to go feel sorry for herself in peace. I felt bad for her, this time. No more turkey. That's it. I knew it wasn't going to be a good idea last night but didn't think it'd be quite such a BAD one.
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