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Post by geohiccup on Apr 3, 2017 11:53:34 GMT -5
Hi all, I was just referred to this website in the UK called Raw Pet Supplies, can you take a look for me? Here's the link www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/80-Meat-10-Organ-%26-10-Bone-c13788331 . I think it looks very promising, there's 5 already minced packages containing measured amounts (80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs) and here they are below, very well priced so I could order in bulk weighing 250g each which is 8 ounces, giving me a fair amount if I buy in bulk. 1: This is 65% fish (herring, salmon body and head): 35% lamb muscle meat, bones, organ meats. Red meat with added fatty fish for Omega 3 fatty acids. Roughly 70% meat, 15% bone and 15% organs. www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/Alaska-Cat-Lamb-%26-Fish-250g-p82064297 Would this be alright as it has fish and I have heard fish is a no-go? 2: This is 100% Rabbit; Meaty backs, heart, lung, kidney, liver, ear. Roughly 70% meat, 15% bone and 15% organs. www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/Alaska-Cat-Rabbit-250g-p82064295 3:This is Cow; Meat, heart, throat, kidney, liver. Meaty chicken back. Roughly 70% meat, 15% bone and 15% organs. www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/Alaska-Cat-Beef-%26-Chicken-250g-p820642944: This is Chicken; Meaty backs, heart, gizzard, liver. Roughly 70% meat, 15% bone and 15% organs. www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/Alaska-Cat-Chicken-250g-p820642925: This is Turkey; Meaty backs and necks, heart, liver. Roughly 70% meat, 15% bone and 15% organs. www.rawpetsupplies.co.uk/online-store-1/Alaska-Cat-Turkey-250g-p82064290So the 5 types they offer are Fish (unsuitable?), rabbit, cow, chicken and turkey, are these good to buy in bulk and then feed a different one on each day of the week? Thanks all, Georgia  |
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Post by LindaM on Apr 3, 2017 13:10:42 GMT -5
Fish can be given, but should be limited to only one meal a week.
They look promising, my only thought would be how much heart is in their mix? A ferret's diet requires 10% heart. Is it possible for you to email them and inquire as to the ratio of heart in their mix? Four of those grinds clearly list hearts in their ingredients, which is good, I just wonder how much is in the mix. That way you will know whether or not you need to supplement with some extra hearts or not during the week to make sure they get all the taurine they need from their diet. I also wonder about the liver percentage, some of those that list 15% organs seem to only list liver and no other organs, making that probably a bit high, optimally liver should be 5% of the total diet (organs totaling 10% overall).
And just remember when using grinds/minces, you will still need to brush your ferret's teeth, the grinds cannot clean them like crunching bones normally would.
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Post by geohiccup on Apr 3, 2017 13:44:16 GMT -5
Fish can be given, but should be limited to only one meal a week. They look promising, my only thought would be how much heart is in their mix? A ferret's diet requires 10% heart. Is it possible for you to email them and inquire as to the ratio of heart in their mix? Four of those grinds clearly list hearts in their ingredients, which is good, I just wonder how much is in the mix. That way you will know whether or not you need to supplement with some extra hearts or not during the week to make sure they get all the taurine they need from their diet. I also wonder about the liver percentage, some of those that list 15% organs seem to only list liver and no other organs, making that probably a bit high, optimally liver should be 5% of the total diet (organs totaling 10% overall). And just remember when using grinds/minces, you will still need to brush your ferret's teeth, the grinds cannot clean them like crunching bones normally would. Tank you very much! I will email them and inquire about the heart percentage, and would it work if I gave my little one some chicken wings from time to time to help clean their teeth, or would kibble help? I inten to buy a alrge bag of kibble recommended by the person I'm getting her from, would the kibble also help in cleaning her teeth? I intend to use the raw diet however kibble from time to time especially when she's young, teeth cleaning and if she gets a bit hungry between raw meals |
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Post by LindaM on Apr 3, 2017 13:57:48 GMT -5
Nooo, no kibble for teeth cleaning. Kibble is horrible for the teeth, leads to huge plaque build-up, and requires brushing to be done as well, so no, it cannot clean teeth. Personally, I wouldn't even get the kibble, and I used to feed kibble originally, but that's just my opinion. If you're planning on feeding raw, you shouldn't even need the kibble, it can actually hamper your progress in switching to raw, and if not timed apart enough, lead to bacterial overgrowth which needs to be fixed by antibiotics from the vet. Just give her enough raw food, she won't go hungry then, most raw can stay out for long hours, so it shouldn't be an issue. A young ferret should take to raw remarkably well, and would not have a need for kibble which can only lead to issues later on in the long run. May I ask which kibble you planned on getting? Chicken wings can help clean her teeth yes, the bone in that will do a good job. You could also let her have things like Quail, Chicken Necks, Duck Necks, Turkey Necks (smash with a hammer), Frog Legs, etc. Those are good bone-in options, but if you wish to do that while also doing grinds, you need to balance them out with this chart: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/17989/balancing-frankenprey-diets-prey-grindsThat just makes sure your little one is getting all that she needs. |
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Post by geohiccup on Apr 3, 2017 14:14:11 GMT -5
Nooo, no kibble for teeth cleaning. Kibble is horrible for the teeth, leads to huge plaque build-up, and requires brushing to be done as well, so no, it cannot clean teeth. Personally, I wouldn't even get the kibble, and I used to feed kibble originally, but that's just my opinion. If you're planning on feeding raw, you shouldn't even need the kibble, it can actually hamper your progress in switching to raw, and if not timed apart enough, lead to bacterial overgrowth which needs to be fixed by antibiotics from the vet. Just give her enough raw food, she won't go hungry then, most raw can stay out for long hours, so it shouldn't be an issue. A young ferret should take to raw remarkably well, and would not have a need for kibble which can only lead to issues later on in the long run. May I ask which kibble you planned on getting? Chicken wings can help clean her teeth yes, the bone in that will do a good job. You could also let her have things like Quail, Chicken Necks, Duck Necks, Turkey Necks (smash with a hammer), Frog Legs, etc. Those are good bone-in options, but if you wish to do that while also doing grinds, you need to balance them out with this chart: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/17989/balancing-frankenprey-diets-prey-grindsThat just makes sure your little one is getting all that she needs. The kibble was ferret feast, a large 10kg bag so it wouldn't run out and was recommended by the person I'm getting her from, she feeds her kits a raw diet but when they're 8 weeks gives small bits of kibble in case new owners prefer to feed kibble instead, so I think giving my kit raw won't be an issue as she will be brought up on it I won't feed the kibble for her teeth if it causes plaque Bones it is! Would it be alright if ever I was running low on meat and the delivery from the website was taking a while to come? As an emergancy food source? |
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Post by LindaM on Apr 3, 2017 15:01:41 GMT -5
You could, but I'd rather keep a bag of Freeze-Dried Raw myself. It's still raw, but shelf stable by comparison, and you just add water to rehydrate it again.
Two things can easily happen with kibble when you're feeding raw. A) Your ferret will take a step back on her raw diet and try to eat kibble instead and be fussy about eating raw again. So a setback.
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B) Your ferret will not see kibble as food anymore and simply refuse to eat it. That's the course my two went. They don't see kibble as a food, even when the cat still had kibble sitting around.
If you are referring to Alpha Ferret Feast kibble, that's a poor kibble from what I can see from the ingredients. Lots of indigestible content. I wouldn't feed it myself.
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Post by geohiccup on Apr 3, 2017 15:19:57 GMT -5
You could, but I'd rather keep a bag of Freeze-Dried Raw myself. It's still raw, but shelf stable by comparison, and you just add water to rehydrate it again. Two things can easily happen with kibble when you're feeding raw. A) Your ferret will take a step back on her raw diet and try to eat kibble instead and be fussy about eating raw again. So a setback. OR B) Your ferret will not see kibble as food anymore and simply refuse to eat it. That's the course my two went. They don't see kibble as a food, even when the cat still had kibble sitting around. If you are referring to Alpha Ferret Feast kibble, that's a poor kibble from what I can see from the ingredients. Lots of indigestible content. I wouldn't feed it myself. From what a lot of people say on here I think I'll save my money from the bag of ferret feast and use it to buy more stock of that Raw Pet Supply stuff I posted above, thanks for all your help I guess I'm just preparing and panicking too much  If I use the money to buy more raw instead of kibble though it'll be fine, and the prices are great so Thank you!!!! |
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Post by LindaM on Apr 3, 2017 15:43:51 GMT -5
You're very welcome, and you'll be just fine. You're already doing great by getting all this research done and asking questions about things you are unsure of, many people do not even bother or prefer to just be ignorant about what they feed instead.  So thank you for taking the time to check things over and trying to do the best for your little one!  |
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Post by Sherry on Apr 5, 2017 10:35:41 GMT -5
Odds are if you are feeding raw regularly they wouldn't even recognize the kibble as food anyway  And you could always just go to the grocery store and buy some ground chicken or turkey, and make a soup following what we have here to do through in an emergency holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/145/raw-soup |
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Post by Heather on Apr 5, 2017 13:47:39 GMT -5
In a pinch, if they're already eating chicken wings....you can go to the grocery and get than or any other unprocessed meat. When I'm travelling I usually resort to chicken (it's easy to get) but have used lamb, goat and even cut up turkey.
ciao
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Post by crazylady on Apr 9, 2017 12:02:50 GMT -5
little hint if you order whole rabbit buy the gutted one ! those with the gut in contaminate the meat upon thawing as the bladder will also be full and rabbit pee and gut is not a nice smell lol take care bye for now
Bev
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