Raw Soup recipe using other than chicken?

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Maybe I missed it when scanning the threads, but is there a recipe for a soup that is made from meats other than chicken? Do I just use the same measures and substitute myself? I was thinking of variety in early transition, but maybe this isn't a good idea and there is a reason why I should stick to chicken?

[abbeytheferret6]

U can use other meats, but use same amounts(ounces).

Continue using hearts of animals(except for carnivores) to insure ferrets get plenty of taurine. Livers are a must as well. U can use tongue instead of hearts. 

(muscles that move a lot like thigh and tongue of animals as well as brains that have electrical impulses r taurine rich)

Check meats that they contain no preservatives,salt, or solutions.

Hare Today carries lamb hearts and organs as well as turkey hearts.
hare-today.com/category/meat_proteins_or_packaging_types

[Aftershock]

yes, you can use other meats. The reason for the chicken thigh is because it's dark meat (more taurine, iron, etc), the flavor is mild, and in case a food allergy pops up. (One protein profile at the start is easier to figure out the allergy vs using all sorts of different animal parts, make sense?)
Beef tongue is a great back up in case you absolutely run out of heart and can't find any, but should only be a short term solution as heart has a different nutrient set up that is essential for health.
Brain is not high in taurine, it is very rich and high in fat, but makes a great 'other' organ.
All meat has taurine in it, just not as much as the muscles that work constantly like heart or beef tongue.

[abbeytheferret6]

From sources I have read organs with electrical impulse have concentrated taurine even eyeballs as noted by one source, although I do not have a comparison chart.


Any organ that has electrical activity is high and/or a concentrated source of taurine. This includes the heart, brain and eyes.

Although heart, brain and eyes are high in taurine, the reality is all meat contains taurine. When you feed muscle meat, there is also taurine in the meat, just not as high.

The feeding of eyes doesn't sound that appealing but many pets will enjoy eyes. Sometimes fish eyes are available.

It has been said that mice provide the highest source of taurine!

www.pet-grub.com/part2/what_organ_meats_can_dogs_and_cats_eat

[Aftershock]

I can't advocate organs with electrical pulses as a decent organ for taurine levels as I cannot find the actual levels. We have taurine levels for heart and tongue. The concern with brain is also that because it is very fatty it is 'too rich' and can cause MAJOR diarrhea in ferrets. But, it makes for a great 'other' organ.

[abbeytheferret6]

Aftershock:
Although I have read it often on internet, that organs with electrical impulses (brain incl )have higher concentrations of taurine. I did some research, as there is no need saying something, though often repeated on internet--- unless there is backing by science. So to my chagrin----

Taurine Content of Some Organs from Guinea Pig, Rabbit, Pig, Beef, and Sheep

Values in micromoles per gm. of fresh tissue.
Guinea pig(male)

Liver ................... 0.0
Kidney. ............... 1.8
Spleen. ................ 5.6
Heart ................... 9.3
Brain ................... 1.0
Small intestine .......... 3.8
Muscle .................. 9.1
Testis ................... 0.9

Rabbit(male)
Liver........0.0
kidney.....1.9
Spleen......5.7
Heart.......14.6
Brain.......1.1
Small intestine....4.2
Muscle.........1.3

The other animals can be found charted as well. Surprised to find more taurine in a pig heart than beef??
Disappointed in guinea pig--was thinking babies were getting some taurine from liver but will continue to feed GP as it is found in muscle meat.
Of course the rat comes out on top, also included.

www.jbc.org/content/218/2/571.full.pdf
THE TAURINE CONCENTRATION OF
ORGANS FROM FED AND FASTED
RATS
J. Biol. Chem. 1956, 218:571-576

[Aftershock]

Ooooooooooo! Well that sure is neat! What did you google to make that come up? :/ I wish they had more up to date info on it.

[Deleted]

Aftershock, it makes sense to work into other "flavors". Allergies never crossed my mind! Would you say after 5 days I would know if either of my kids were going to have a reaction to the chicken soup they've been eating? Would it take longer in the one who is not eating as much as the other? Maybe I'm rushing things with wanting them to have a variety? I currently have only the makings for several more chicken soup batches, but plenty of chicken liver and chicken heart measured in 1 ounce packages, vacuum sealed, and frozen.

[Heather]

With the ferret metabolism, 5 to 7 days should be sufficient to see a reaction. Usually, it's within a few minutes. A true allergic reaction to a protein source is instant and violent. You will know about a true allergy as it results in projectile vomiting even before the ferret completes their meal. My Meeteef was allergic to beef....he would vomit so hard that he would project himself backwards and you wouldn't believe the distance of the mess.
ciao

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Thank you so much!