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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 18:17:09 GMT -5
Okay, just a FEW more questions before I begin my transition to raw...
I just picked up some chicken and lamb grinds today (Rad Cat Raw Diet). I am thawing them out in the fridge now. Is it okay to thaw them out after being frozen so I can proportion them better in an ice cube tray, and then freeze them again?
I have heard that feeding raw and kibble together can create health issues. But is it okay to feed the grind and kibble while we transition?
Can grinds be used in lieu of raw soup while transitioning?
Ideally, my meal plan for the next year (until I graduate from college and have a little more free time to prep meals, etc - ALMOST there!) would be:
Monday AM: Balanced Grinds
Monday PM: Bone-In
Tuesday AM: Balanced Grinds
Tuesday PM: Muscle
Wednesday AM: Balanced Grinds
Wednesday PM: Bone-In
Thursday AM: Balanced Grinds
Thursday PM: Bone-In
Friday AM: Balanced Grinds
Friday PM: Bone-In
Saturday AM: Heart
Saturday PM: Bone-In
Sunday AM: Organ
Sunday PM: Bone-In
So total that would be: 5 alternative meals (balanced grinds), 6 bone-in meals, 1 muscle meal, 1 heart meal, and 1 organ meal. Does this "meal plan" look okay? Are you supposed to have time between certain types of meals?
Okay, so maybe I just jumped a little ahead of myself there, lol.
Anyways, I understand that you need three proteins. Let's just theoretically say that my four proteins are chicken, turkey, venison and lamb (all available for grinds. Chicken and turkey would be available for bone-in, organ, muscle, and organ, but most likely not venison and lamb). I guess I am just a little confused to how you would spread out the proteins.
Thanks in advance for the answers, sorry for all the questions! (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 19:01:03 GMT -5
You can thaw them out and proportion them to what you need. It won't hurt the nutrients or the meat  Feeding raw and kibble together runs the potential risk of a bacterial overgrowth. It depends on the ferret as well. Usually with a HEALTHY ferret we recommend a 3 to 4 hour fast from kibble and then introduce the raw food. Depending on how well the ferret takes to raw depends on if you need to keep supplementing with kibble till they are completely switched... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 19:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 19:03:50 GMT -5
Looks like you have already used the chart and are correct on your balance there. When were you planning on starting your switch? Can you give us a month roughly?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 19:08:25 GMT -5
Also, I know I am posting a lot sorry. Anyways, organs need to consist of liver and one other secreting organ ie kidney.
Your menu is vague and it doesn't say what protein you are actually using for each meal so updating it would be a good idea so you can see where your bone in is at protein wise along with the grinds and muscle meat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 22:43:38 GMT -5
Looks like you have already used the chart and are correct on your balance there. When were you planning on starting your switch? Can you give us a month roughly? I am going to start offering the grinds as soon as they thaw out in the fridge (they are in there now - so most likely tomorrow morning!) I will take the advice and definitely fast them from their kibble for 3-4 hours beforehand. I plan on putting a little salmon oil in the grinds to entice them to eat it. If they do eat a good amount of the grinds, should I give them their kibble back for the day or just keep them on a full grinds diet until they start accepting the Frankenprey meals? I am still waiting for my mentor but just wanted to get a little head start. The "menu" I posted above is what I would ideally like to do once they start accepting raw food, so whenever that will be! I know it can take some time. I graduate college in December of 2017. That will be when I am fully able to balance out 14 full Frankenprey meals a week. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 22:52:06 GMT -5
Your menu is vague and it doesn't say what protein you are actually using for each meal so updating it would be a good idea so you can see where your bone in is at protein wise along with the grinds and muscle meat. I honestly haven't planned that far ahead yet! I just came up with an ideal menu for when they accept raw foods. For the time being, I will be limited to Stop and Shop for my Frankenprey meals, so most likely chicken wings and turkey necks for bone-in. There's a butcher 30 minutes away from me that does meats such as rabbit, but I don't have transportation yet. I will hopefully be getting my car within the next month or two. The same for muscle meat and organ meat. I will most likely be limited to chicken and turkey until I get reliable transportation. The balanced grinds that I can get right down the street from me are available in chicken, turkey, venison, and lamb. So maybe I will try to keep them to venison and lamb grinds, and then chicken and turkey Frankenprey meals (at least until I get a car and have more places to shop from!) My plan is to work on the grinds for now, and once they start eating the grinds I will add slivers of chicken and see how that goes. I will most likely start an "unofficial transition thread" just so I get used to the habit of updating and so I can ask for advice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:02:01 GMT -5
You can thaw them out and proportion them to what you need. It won't hurt the nutrients or the meat Feeding raw and kibble together runs the potential risk of a bacterial overgrowth. It depends on the ferret as well. Usually with a HEALTHY ferret we recommend a 3 to 4 hour fast from kibble and then introduce the raw food. Depending on how well the ferret takes to raw depends on if you need to keep supplementing with kibble till they are completely switched... My female is healthy. My male just had surgery about a month ago for an obstruction removal but has healed very nicely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:22:52 GMT -5
Looks like you have already used the chart and are correct on your balance there. When were you planning on starting your switch? Can you give us a month roughly? I am going to start offering the grinds as soon as they thaw out in the fridge (they are in there now - so most likely tomorrow morning!) I will take the advice and definitely fast them from their kibble for 3-4 hours beforehand. I plan on putting a little salmon oil in the grinds to entice them to eat it. If they do eat a good amount of the grinds, should I give them their kibble back for the day or just keep them on a full grinds diet until they start accepting the Frankenprey meals? I am still waiting for my mentor but just wanted to get a little head start. The "menu" I posted above is what I would ideally like to do once they start accepting raw food, so whenever that will be! I know it can take some time. I graduate college in December of 2017. That will be when I am fully able to balance out 14 full Frankenprey meals a week. What do the grinds consist of? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:29:05 GMT -5
What do the grinds consist of? The lamb grinds consist of lamb shoulder, lamb heart, lamb liver, water, organic egg yolk, dried ground eggshell, organic dried ground dulse, gelatin, organic dried ground psyllium husk, and manganese gluconate. The chicken grinds consist of chicken thigh and leg, chicken heart, chicken liver, water, egg yolk, dried ground eggshell, organic dried ground reg algae (dulse), gelatin, organic dried ground psyllium husk, and manganese gluconate. I found out the Rad Cat Raw Grinds from holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-and-whole-prey-providers/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:47:37 GMT -5
I just want to make sure I am understanding. You want to feed grinds till December 2017 correct? That's when you graduate and can have more time. Or do you want to add Frankenprey with the grinds?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:05:27 GMT -5
I just want to make sure I am understanding. You want to feed grinds till December 2017 correct? That's when you graduate and can have more time. Or do you want to add Frankenprey with the grinds? Sorry if I am being confusing. :/ I want to feed a mix of grinds and Frankenprey until December 2017. And then in December 2017 I want to switch to full Frankenprey. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:22:10 GMT -5
Alright makes much more sense!! So for your menu for organs you need to find a source of liver and another excreting organ ie kidney. Muscle meats can be beef, pork, duck, etc. Bone in meats you mention turkey and chicken if you can find quail that would be good to add to the list of bone in meals Also make sure you find a good place the supplies heart |
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