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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 0:00:17 GMT -5
If you have access to course and fine ground whole animals (five different animals), would that work as an okay diet? Would those work if you add in some other organs and bone on occasion or throughout the week? Not sure how that works. Right now, Loki is enjoying whole fine ground turkey but I don't know the proper way to balance it with other types of meat (organ, muscle, or bone) and other animals as well... Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 2:30:05 GMT -5
It depends on the contents of the mix, I think. Cleo's ground chicken is 68% meat 27% bone 5% organ [liver], which plows RIGHT through the 80:10:10, so I have to give her extra meals of just plain meat and add a bit more organ into her diet. The ground rabbit is 80% meat 10% bone 10% organ [liver, pancreas, kidney, brains, spleen] which is much better, but she absolutely hates it lol I'm wondering if she just hates that the fur is still in there, so I'm going to try introducing her to the furless ground rabbit which is 75% meat 15% bone 10% organ [liver, pancreas, kidney]. I do want to get her eventually switched over to actual chunks and hopefully like, whole pieces of meat, but she's stubborn and isn't a fan of chewing her food.
The main concerns with raw feeding, as far as I've been lead to believe, are having enough different proteins and the proper ratio of meat:bone:organs. A lot of grinds I see include either enough bone or too much, so it'll more likely be meat that you have to add unless you're trying to get the teeth cleaning bonus of the bones.
There's some belief that ground meat has less nutrients/more break down than whole meat while others argue against this, but as far as I know there have been no studies done on the matter, and Cleo has done pretty swimmingly on almost exclusively ground(with her occasional chunked breast/etc to help maintain ratio)
(It's 2:30 am here please let me know if I have anything wrong/etc)
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Post by maja01 on Dec 23, 2016 6:56:44 GMT -5
If the whole carcass is grounded - including organs, bones, skin, muscles (but intestine, feather/fur excluded) is considered a balanced ground and nothing has to be added. If you have 5 different grinds, it is great.  If you want to add other meals - organs, bone in meat meals, check here how much of what do you need. Your grinds are considered "an alternative meal" on the link. Just keep in mind that grinds will not help with teeth cleaning. So, you will either have to clean them by yourself or get him use to chew meat and give him occasional frankenprey meals. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:57:13 GMT -5
Okay I will check the packaging for percentages and add accordingly! Thanks!!
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Post by Heather on Dec 23, 2016 13:57:09 GMT -5
One thing I noted that is missing out of all the grinds posted is heart. If there is not heart you will have to add a meal of heart once a week or add taurine. Some grinds add this as it's a necessary component of a raw diet particularly in ferrets and cats. Unfortunately, some manufacturers feel that this isn't necessary in their dog mixes and don't bother to add it. I always make sure my dogs also get a heart meal, I feel that though it's not deemed necessary for their diet, I get better results if it's added. That being said, for ferrets and cats it is necessary
ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 15:02:16 GMT -5
Where I get my ground chicken, "heart and gizzard is considered a muscle meat for feeding purposes", so it's in the 68%. The other grinds I get from the same place include heart and at least one other meat-categorized organ.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 19:14:24 GMT -5
One thing I noted that is missing out of all the grinds posted is heart. If there is not heart you will have to add a meal of heart once a week or add taurine. Some grinds add this as it's a necessary component of a raw diet particularly in ferrets and cats. Unfortunately, some manufacturers feel that this isn't necessary in their dog mixes and don't bother to add it. I always make sure my dogs also get a heart meal, I feel that though it's not deemed necessary for their diet, I get better results if it's added. That being said, for ferrets and cats it is necessary ciao If you aren't sure if heart is mixed in, is it safe to still feed a meal of hearts? Or to cut up some and add it into the ground mixture for the day? |
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Post by Sherry on Dec 24, 2016 11:31:33 GMT -5
Heart is a needed muscle meat for the purpose of taurine. And as taurine is water soluble they just pee any excess out. So yes, you can safely add more hearts |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 12:35:33 GMT -5
Awesome! I have duck heart in the freezer so I will definitely add in hearts no problem!
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