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Post by Sherry on Sept 20, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -5
I was going to say the middle looks like an egg poop. Organ poops here tend to be very blackish and tarry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 15:02:31 GMT -5
I believe it's an egg poop as well. I looked at more pics. Just to make sure I'll check his stool next time I feed an egg.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 16:10:03 GMT -5
Mine will poop yellow a few times on egg. A big egg yolk, a lot of yellow pooh. Mine never get it out in one poop if it is chicken eggs, and i just give yolk. An egg is a lot of stuff. lol
I do not think he would go to a litter pan to throw up. I do not think animals care where they throw up.
I mean it is possible, to throw up while pottying, but........
U would probably hear heaving and gagging as well. Bile to me sounds like it would be big time nausea, although I have not had any experience with that, and ferret probably would not be feeling too well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 3:18:02 GMT -5
Hi @oberynstiles1 Hows Oberyn going? ^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 13:32:21 GMT -5
Hey! I was out of Internet the last few days! UPDATE:Oberyn is fantastic! The boy has been eating a lot, playing a lot and getting into all kinds of trouble! I have moved to two-three 1 ounce meals a day. He usually won't eat more than one ounce at a time. Typically I give him Cornish in the morning or a duck neck. He is handling the bones pretty well. I've also been feeding ground whole carcass rabbit with bones in it. Rabbit bones seem to be tougher than poultry but where it is ground he seems to handle it just fine. I don't know if the rabbit would count as bone-in or not though. I do have rabbit heads but I'm not sure when I could introduce those. I'm going to feed pork heart tonight and I'm pretty sure it will go over well, he likes pork. I also have duck hearts and lamb hearts. At night time he either gets Cornish or duck neck, or some type of meat. I'm still introducing him to new cuts so he can try everything and see what he likes. I have a schedule made for him that goes by month. I'll try to upload it sometime this week. I have a lot of homework, work is keeping me busy and on top of that I'm sick. (I'll get to that in just a second.) What is a good fatty part of beef to feed? I believe he will need red meat at least once a week. I started him out on just plain beef strips but I'd like to move on to fattier cuts. Also I'm having trouble with the bone in variety. I have turkey necks but those are too big for him right now. He is currently eating duck neck and cgh as his bone in meals. I plan on getting duck wings and legs within the next week. Do Cornish and duck neck sound good for right now? As for my sickness I have come down with a slight cold. I've been keeping my distance from Oberyn just because I know he can catch it too, is there a particular protocol I should follow while I'm sick or do I just keep my distance, wash my hands etc? Oh and i finally got my play pen and Oberyn got to go outside and play for a bit. I'll try to post some pics of that later!
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Post by raynebc on Sept 23, 2015 14:08:30 GMT -5
If the rabbit bones are ground in with the meat, it would count as bone-in as far as nutrition goes, but it wouldn't help clean his teeth so much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:06:29 GMT -5
I have moved to two-three 1 ounce meals a day. He usually won't eat more than one ounce at a time.My girl is like that too. She only ever eats around 1 ounce at a time, however she grazes throughout the day. You can safely leave the food in the cage for him and he may eat little bits at a time when ever he gets hungry. Typically I give him Cornish in the morning or a duck neck. He is handling the bones pretty well. He's doing fantastic with his bones. Is he taking them whole or do you chop them up for him? ^^ I've also been feeding ground whole carcass rabbit with bones in it. Rabbit bones seem to be tougher than poultry but where it is ground he seems to handle it just fine. I don't know if the rabbit would count as bone-in or not though. What size are the bones in the ground mix? If the bones are in it, but are also ground up then it wouldn't really count as a bone in meat as far as I'm aware. They need to work on the bones, so as they do that, it cleans their teeth and provides mental stimulation. Since ground is well, ground, its an easy meal for ferrets and require less jaw strength to consume. Ground would be classed as a muscle meat and bone is usually bone with meat attached to it. @poncesmom do you have any input for this? ^^ I do have rabbit heads but I'm not sure when I could introduce those. I'm going to feed pork heart tonight and I'm pretty sure it will go over well, he likes pork. I also have duck hearts and lamb hearts. At night time he either gets Cornish or duck neck, or some type of meat. I'm still introducing him to new cuts so he can try everything and see what he likes.Would the rabbit heads have the brain, eyes and what not? Because then it would be a lovely nutritional treat for a ferret. Heart in general is a yummy meal for ferrets. I've tried Ox/Chicken and Lamb heart and I noticed all of mine love them equally, and love them ALOT. It's fantastic that you have a variety of things for Oberyn. You're a very responsible ferrent. ^^ Oberyn is going to be completely transitioned in no time. It almost seems like a casual walk in the park for him at the moment. I have a schedule made for him that goes by month. I'll try to upload it sometime this week. I have a lot of homework, work is keeping me busy and on top of that I'm sick. (I'll get to that in just a second.) Good work! I have a few schedules. I tend to change proteins every couple of weeks just to keep things interesting. ;u; I look forward to seeing yours. Homework is a bummer, but it has to be done. Don't stress over uploading until you're ready, it's no rush anyway. Get well soon! Being sick is the worst feeling. Be sure to get some rest and have plenty of fluids. Oh and while we're on this topic, when you're sick very cautious with handling Oberyn. Ferrets cannot catch common colds, however they can catch human flu's and it's always best to be cautious anyway. But knowing you, you probably already knew this. What is a good fatty part of beef to feed? I believe he will need red meat at least once a week. I started him out on just plain beef strips but I'd like to move on to fattier cuts. Also I'm having trouble with the bone in variety. I have turkey necks but those are too big for him right now. He is currently eating duck neck and cgh as his bone in meals. I plan on getting duck wings and legs within the next week. Do Cornish and duck neck sound good for right now?
I wasn't really sure on the fattiest parts of beef, since I'm still learning about the best parts of different proteins. However I found these two images which can give you some idea. ^^ I also had issues with bone in meat varieties, especially since my shops didn't have a big variety themselves and all I seemed to find was chicken necks. If you can find any quail, thats a good choice for bone in meat. Also things like Duck wings, or any other wing would be good. I'm waiting on an order of 12kg of duck wings and 14kg of turkey necks. I've been hearing that turkey necks are very tough. Chicken necks in general are tough as well, but considering turkey is a larger bird, its to be expected that their necks would be bigger and tougher. My lot cannot handle chicken necks as they are, so I cut them into discs for them using a cleaver. I plan on doing the same with the turkey necks. Experiment with the types of bone in meat and find the best way to serve them. If Turkey necks are too big, chop them up to a better size for him to handle. Just make sure to still leave enough there for him to really work on it. ^^ Cornish and Duck necks are very good for a start. As for my sickness I have come down with a slight cold. I've been keeping my distance from Oberyn just because I know he can catch it too, is there a particular protocol I should follow while I'm sick or do I just keep my distance, wash my hands etc? I mentioned this earlier, but they cannot catch common colds. However even if they cannot, you should always be cautious around Oberyn. Just wash your hands before and after anything ferret related. Before and after prepping meals, wash your hands.Before and after cleaning the cage wash your hands or clean surfaces to stop spread of germs and such. You could wear a mask, if you want to be extra cautious, but thats not essential. As long as you be cautious, he should be fine. If you have a flu, however, thats when you would really have to be cautious and avoid being around oberyn if possible. (like, get a friend to feed him, etc etc) Oh and i finally got my play pen and Oberyn got to go outside and play for a bit. I'll try to post some pics of that later!Yay! He's going to have fun~ I would love to see Oberyn having some fun.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:42:36 GMT -5
Oberyn, I'm sorry you aren't feeling well. You are doing so well though. @machan has been offering you terrific help. She is very smart and knows what she is doing. Machan, I love your charts. We should sticky those.
I've also been feeding ground whole carcass rabbit with bones in it. Rabbit bones seem to be tougher than poultry but where it is ground he seems to handle it just fine. I don't know if the rabbit would count as bone-in or not though. What size are the bones in the ground mix? If the bones are in it, but are also ground up then it wouldn't really count as a bone in meat as far as I'm aware. They need to work on the bones, so as they do that, it cleans their teeth and provides mental stimulation. Since ground is well, ground, its an easy meal for ferrets and require less jaw strength to consume. Ground would be classed as a muscle meat and bone is usually bone with meat attached to it. poncesmom do you have any input for this? ^^
If the rabbit is complete with the organs in it then even though it is ground up, it would be a complete meal like whole prey. In that case, you would subtract that meal from the Frankenprey meals and adjust your organ intake.
If it is simply ground up rabbit with bones and has no organs, it can count as a bone in meal. Grinds won't clean teeth or build jaw strength but they do provide the all important and essential nutrients from bone.
I would say Hugs to Oberyn, but let's wait on those until you're feeling better, which I hope is soon. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 20:58:12 GMT -5
You guys are literally the bomb dot com!!!
UPDATE: Oberyn LOVED the heart! He ate all of it without even needing my guidance. I actually had to take it away so he would chew it a bit more lol.
For his bone in meals I cut the duck neck into thirds, but since he's handling that like a champ I'll probably move on to half and then the full neck once he's ready. Cgh I chop up into square pieces and give him a variety of sizes to play with. I'll gradually cut it less and less.
Oberyn is the best. I seriously think I just got really lucky with him. He's so open to trying new foods. It's amazing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 1:22:56 GMT -5
Hahaha! I've never heard 'bomb dot com' before. Thats so great.
It's so fantastic that Oberyn is loving his hearts! Lots of delicious taurine rich goodness for him~ Taurine is such an interesting thing. It's water soluble, so It doesn't build up in their system and excretes via urine. It's also not degraded from the freeze/thaw process and It becomes liquified to that 'blood' you see after you thaw out meat.
I might also mention about Vitamin A thats found in Liver because its a little different to Taurine. Vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin that can be stored in the body and can cause overdoses if there is not a good break between doses.
When I was switching, I was incredibly intrigued by the differences in water soluble and fat soluble. When you think about it, its so crucial for a balanced diet for our little wonderful carnivores. You're doing incredibly well, so I'm so happy that Oberyn is transitioning so well and can get right into a good balanced diet. ;u; You are so lucky. I also transitioned reasonably well, but I had more complications with my stubborn girl. hahaha. My younger male, yuki, was much like Oberyn and was more willing to try new meats. ^^
Oberyn deserves a great big hug. When you're well, definitely give him a hug from me too! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:38:44 GMT -5
Hahaha! But seriously this website is what's up! Whenever I get customers with ferret's at my store I always refer them to this website!
UPDATE: Oberyn had CGH for breakfast and he is currently eating his dinner of turkey gizzards. Gizzards are tough so he's working his jaws tearing through them I think. :-)
That's really it for today. I'm actually about to start another thread about something that isn't related to Oberyn or is switch. Look out for it I'd likeep to hear everyone's opinions!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 23:26:34 GMT -5
I refer people too! Especially when I get questions on my blog or instagram. >3< This forum is a fantastic place. Oberyn sounds like he had a yummy breakfast! Was the CGH as a whole, bone and all? ;D; I've never seen CGH before since I cannot get it where I live. you should share some photos next time he gets some. Gizzards are the best! He'll be getting alot of mental stimulation from chewing at it and build up that jaw strength. Its definitely a good muscle meat for building jaw strength. It's pretty much like an exercise meal and the reward will help him handle bones in the future. But Oberyn is a champ and is already handling bones incredibly well already-- Hurray for ferret jaw exercise. Ahahhaa. I'll be sure to look out for your next thread. I'll probably be looking around in a minute anyway. ^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 22:29:21 GMT -5
UPDATE: It has been about a week and a half with no kibble and I'm already seeing incredible differences! Oberyn doesn't smell like a ferret? He just doesn't have a strong odor to him at all. I was cuddling with him earlier and took a big wiff of him-nothing! Also his teeth are so white! Not that he had dirty teeth before but now I can really notice how clean they are and his breath doesn't stink either. He's also been really wound up here lately. He's so energetic and playful compared to how he was when I first got him.
Minor setback though. Apparently my roommate was in my room the other day and found a piece of hidden meat. They were very concerned about it. Like they were a little angry with me about it. She was worried her cat would get a piece and get sick! I tried so hard to explain to her that both the ferret and cat have different acid levels in their stomachs and they are capable of breaking down bacteria that would make us sick. But she isn't convinced. They both were upset about it and told me to "be more mature." I guess that's their way of saying that I'm stupid for raw feeding? It really sucks that there is such a stigma against this diet. :/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 23:17:06 GMT -5
Oh yay! So now Oberyn is completely off his kibble? Thats great news! Oberyn probably does smell like a ferret, you've just become used to it and all the odours would be non-existent due to his diet. Have you tried smelling his tail? I wonder if he's gotten the grape tail yet (it smells wonderful!) It sounds like Oberyn's teeth are nice and healthy. My boy yuki also had white teeth beforehand, but my girl had alittle yellowing which is now faded away. I love the outcomes for a natural diet. Its so wonderful. You would never get these kinds of outcomes from a kibble diet. :') Cats are obligate carnivores as well, so they will not get sick from eating meat. "The digestive systems of cats have also become specifically adapted to eating raw flesh. They have the shortest digestive tract compared to body size of almost any mammal.⁷ Raw prey is highly digestible and there is no need for a long gut and the fermenting bacteria that animals that eat plants need. Cats have lost some metabolic abilities simply because they don’t need them anymore. You don’t need to be efficient at breaking down carbohydrates when your diet contains practically none. Read more at feline-nutrition.org/answers/answers-what-exactly-is-an-qobligate-carnivoreq " Try not to assume that they're looking down on you for feeding raw. They probably aren't completely aware of the fact that cats are obligate carnivores. That website above is also very interesting and I recommend you check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 9:03:50 GMT -5
UPDATE: Took Oberyn to the vet today and he has gained over 1/2 in the last month. No doubt from the raw diet I'm sure. ;-) he weighs about 2 and 1/2lbs and the vet said he is healthy as can be. He asked what I was feeding him and I told them kibble because last time he like freaked when I mentioned raw. I should have told him the truth and I think I will next time I go. But I digress.. Oberyn did have a small case of ear mites that I believe he got from my roommate's cat. So I'm going to make her get her cat checked so Oberyn can't get them again. Oberyn gets his rabies next week and then he'll be all done with his vaccinations! I fed lamb heart last night and it was a huge hit with oberyn. I think it's his favorite so far
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