Post by FerretsnFalcons on Jul 17, 2015 18:28:58 GMT -5
marcia, I found something that I had screenshot on my phone a long time ago that I think can help you! It was a list of the percentage of bone in a bunch of meats like chicken thighs, turkey necks, pork ribs, etc. Using this (and a little bit of guessing), I have approximated the percentages of muscle, bone, and organ in your grinds. Remember, these are just approximations, but hopefully it will give you and FireAngel something to work off of. Since you've already bought all these grinds, I think it would be best to use them until it's cool enough for you to order from Rodentpro. Okay, here's the breakdown:
Ground Quail Frame- 40% bone, 60% muscle Ground Turkey Necks- 42% bone, 58% muscle Ground Duck Necks- 40% bone, 60% muscle Ground Chicken Heart and Gizzards- 100% muscle (with 50% of that being heart) Ground Turkey Heart, Liver, and Gizzards- 75% muscle (with 50% of that being heart), 25% organ (all liver) Ground Lamb with Bone- 30% bone, 70% muscle Ground Duck (I assume a whole duck?)- 10% bone, 80% muscle, 10% organ (half liver, half other organ) Ground Rabbit (I assume a whole rabbit?)- 10% bone, 80% muscle, 10% organ (half liver, half other organ)
The only one I can't approximate is the Ground Poultry Blend, as there are too many ingredients. So you might have to ask the company about that one. The best indicator as to whether he's getting enough bone is his poop. If his poop is consistently loose, feed more bone, and if it's hard and crumbly, feed less bone. As long as you can get them balanced nutritionally, the only problem with grinds is that they don't clean teeth like crunching through whole bones does, but if this is a temporary diet, I think he'll be just fine. I really hope this helps!
Awesome! Yes, Teddy is tired of mice and chicks and is loving the grinds. I bought a scale today and will find an international market tomorrow. He has eaten mice, 1 chick, several grinds, 1 gizzard, and 1 Cornish game hen thigh so far today. Tomorrow is an organ day. I will check on Hare today to see if they will ship rats and guinea pigs to me.
with the duck and rabbit, there are no organs, so I will see what I can find. Would it be bad to serve an ounce or two of the turkey liver, hear, gizzard everyday. should I supplement him with taurine? This kit eats a lot of food.
Tomorrow's menu: Turkey heart, liver, gizzard blend. (3 0z.) 3 mice. Turkey neck, duck neck, quail frame. He will eat five meals, so I thought 2 of them should be the organ blend with a bone-in meal between to counter the loose poop. His poops are loose only after and organ meal or egg yolk. The rest of the time they are normal. I just keep giving him food at each meal until he leaves some in the bowl.
That seems good for tomorrow. Yes poops are looser after organs and eggs, they will also be slightly looser with just a muscle meal. Here's what I would like so that I can help you better decide what to give him each day/meal, I would like to see a meal plan for a week. This will help me and whoever else is reading along better determine what needs tweaking. Right now from what I can tell he should not need any supplements. I just need to see a bigger picture to help the smaller picture come into better focus.
Menu so far for tomorrow: 4 oz. duck and turkey neck for bone-in meal; 1 oz. turkey liver; 1 oz. turkey gizzard; 2 oz. turkey heart; 2 adult mice 1 oz. I will also so shopping for another 1 oz. of liver and for another organ (1 oz.). he is eating about 10 oz food per day.
Thank you FerretsNFalcons for all your help! This is the menu she sent me to work with. Only today, I hit a brick wall with Teddy refusing to eat the turkey liver, heart, gizzard mix. So I have not let him have anything else to eat in hopes he will get hungry enough to eat it. I tried topping it with salmon oil and mixing it with ground quail, but still won't eat it. I am going to stop feeding him 4-5 meals/day and just do the two large meals/day. Feedback is always welcome!