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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 9:11:02 GMT -5
How are the young ones doing? What did you decide on for the names? Are they eating with Sophie, or are they eating full Frankenprey on their own already? If they are eating the Frankenprey already, then could you post up a weekly menu of what they eat, so we can check everything is balanced And on a smellier note, what are their poops like? If Sophie is not getting enough calcium from the meat chunks, and getting runny poops, sprinkle a quarter tsp of eggshell powder per 4oz of meat on her food.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:26:12 GMT -5
How are the young ones doing? What did you decide on for the names? Are they eating with Sophie, or are they eating full Frankenprey on their own already? If they are eating the Frankenprey already, then could you post up a weekly menu of what they eat, so we can check everything is balanced And on a smellier note, what are their poops like? If Sophie is not getting enough calcium from the meat chunks, and getting runny poops, sprinkle a quarter tsp of eggshell powder per 4oz of meat on her food. They are great! The silver is Titus since he's a bit bigger and fiery. No name for the girl yet. She's a little fiery one too! Lol. Sophie refuses to eat with them. She's being such a turd lol. She won't touch anything if they've eaten it. So I usually try to feed her first, separately before the others. She definitely doesn't like trying anything that's not chicken, it's her favorite. We've been back to soup again with slivers and some chunks. She has gone a bit backwards The kits daily meal in the mornings consists of duck, rabbit, turkey, and/or chicken grinds. It has the liver and heart and a few other organs. Plus ground bone. I'll add a bone in meat like a turkey or chicken wing. At night about the same plus frozen mice. We tried a small rat last night but they wouldn't eat much of it. Mostly the tail and face or back end ? but they'll eat a WHOLE mouse lol. Their poops are mostly grayish and formed with occasional runny-Ness. Not sure why? Sometimes with orange mucus. Sophie has normal poops. And OH MY GOSH the detox smell x2!!! The room smells!!!! I can barely clean the cage. I've been sprinkling a tiny bit of extra bone meal powder on everyone's meal hoping that helps. It has a bit. I hope that menu is balanced!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:28:24 GMT -5
I was hoping to go full on whole prey with them but it's way too expensive! And the way they eat frankenprey is getting pretty pricey as well lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 22:53:24 GMT -5
We have a girl ferret at the shelter that looks just like your new one. She is a biter as well and hurricane of energy, her name is Chilli
let me think on the menu, a bit. It's bit late now for any brain work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 22:22:54 GMT -5
We have a girl ferret at the shelter that looks just like your new one. She is a biter as well and hurricane of energy, her name is Chilli let me think on the menu, a bit. It's bit late now for any brain work. Oh the name chilli is cute!!! Mines a biter too, but she's getting so much better. I've been hand feeding her and petting her, telling her good girl for certain things. Just overall praising.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 0:06:22 GMT -5
The kits daily meal in the mornings consists of duck, rabbit, turkey, and/or chicken grinds. It has the liver and heart and a few other organs. Plus ground bone. I'll add a bone in meat like a turkey or chicken wing. At night about the same plus frozen mice. We tried a small rat last night but they wouldn't eat much of it. Mostly the tail and face or back end ? but they'll eat a WHOLE mouse lol. I've been sprinkling a tiny bit of extra bone meal powder on everyone's meal hoping that helps. It has a bit. I hope that menu is balanced! Proteins: Duck Rabbit Turkey Chicken Mice Little bit of Rat face and tail 1. Is it just the chicken that is grinds, or all of duck, rabbit, turkey, and/or chicken? 2. Do they get a whole one and a half meal of hearts per week? One meal of liver? And half a meal of some other organ? 3. It should have 7-9 meals which have bones in them. Or bone powder in all the meals. Could you specify which meals have bones (and what sort), which only have muscle meat? The poops should really improve when you give them bone in meat. If they eat mice fine then you shouldn't bother babying them with grinds. They can eat chunks of meat I still need some more info about the menu. It should be quite detailed. It needs: type of protein, if it has bones or bone powder, whether the meal is soup or grinds or chunks w/ bone or chunks without bones, and any additions. It should be looking at an average week. Could you write it out in this format? Just copy paste this one, and fill it with your own info. Monday: Morning: Rabbit chunks with bones Evening: Rabbit chunks with bones Tuesday: Morning: Lamb muscle meal Evening: Chicken necks and gizzards meal Wednesday: Morning: Chicken chunks with bones Evening: 1/2 Pork Heart, 1/2 Pork Kidney chunks, with egg yolk Thursday: Morning: Duck chunks with bones Evening: Duck chunks with bones Friday: Morning: Chicken Gizzards (muscle) meal Evening: Pork Riblets (bone) meal Saturday: Morning: Turkey Necks meal Evening: Chicken Heart soup with one quail egg + pinch of eggshell Sunday: Morning: Turkey Neck bone meal Evening: Chicken Liver chunks with one quail egg + pinch of eggshell And one like this for Sophie would be good too. So we can see that she gets enough of everything. I understand that it is slightly different, because of what she has learned to eat yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 16:00:59 GMT -5
The kits daily meal in the mornings consists of duck, rabbit, turkey, and/or chicken grinds. It has the liver and heart and a few other organs. Plus ground bone. I'll add a bone in meat like a turkey or chicken wing. At night about the same plus frozen mice. We tried a small rat last night but they wouldn't eat much of it. Mostly the tail and face or back end ? but they'll eat a WHOLE mouse lol. I've been sprinkling a tiny bit of extra bone meal powder on everyone's meal hoping that helps. It has a bit. I hope that menu is balanced! Proteins: Duck Rabbit Turkey Chicken Mice Little bit of Rat face and tail 1. Is it just the chicken that is grinds, or all of duck, rabbit, turkey, and/or chicken? 2. Do they get a whole one and a half meal of hearts per week? One meal of liver? And half a meal of some other organ? 3. It should have 7-9 meals which have bones in them. Or bone powder in all the meals. Could you specify which meals have bones (and what sort), which only have muscle meat? The poops should really improve when you give them bone in meat. If they eat mice fine then you shouldn't bother babying them with grinds. They can eat chunks of meat I still need some more info about the menu. It should be quite detailed. It needs: type of protein, if it has bones or bone powder, whether the meal is soup or grinds or chunks w/ bone or chunks without bones, and any additions. It should be looking at an average week. Could you write it out in this format? Just copy paste this one, and fill it with your own info. Monday: Morning: Rabbit chunks with bones Evening: Rabbit chunks with bones Tuesday: Morning: Lamb muscle meal Evening: Chicken necks and gizzards meal Wednesday: Morning: Chicken chunks with bones Evening: 1/2 Pork Heart, 1/2 Pork Kidney chunks, with egg yolk Thursday: Morning: Duck chunks with bones Evening: Duck chunks with bones Friday: Morning: Chicken Gizzards (muscle) meal Evening: Pork Riblets (bone) meal Saturday: Morning: Turkey Necks meal Evening: Chicken Heart soup with one quail egg + pinch of eggshell Sunday: Morning: Turkey Neck bone meal Evening: Chicken Liver chunks with one quail egg + pinch of eggshell And one like this for Sophie would be good too. So we can see that she gets enough of everything. I understand that it is slightly different, because of what she has learned to eat yet. Sorry! I keep forgetting about this! Ok so the menu this past week has been: Monday AM: whole rabbit grinds with added chicken wings Monday PM: same thing but add a frozen mouse to hold them over all night. Tuesday AM: chicken gizzards with chicken ribs. Bone meal Tuesday PM: 1/2 chicken hearts, 1/2 chicken liver, and ground whole turkey. Wednesday AM: Turkey ribs with eggs Wednesday PM: whole frozen rats Thursday AM: Ground duck with chicken hearts and chicken necks. Bone meal Thursday PM: Ground duck with frozen mice. Friday AM: Chicken wings and ground rabbit. Friday PM: Ground turkey with frozen mice. Saturday AM: Ground duck with duck ribs Saturday PM: Chicken thighs, 1/2 chicken heart, 1/2 chicken liver, bone meal I do the grinds mostly for Sophie so she'll sit with the babies and eat and see them eating. I've caught her a few times munching on a cleaned off chicken wing, got the bone stuck, and then spit it out. She continued to chew on the bone but spitting out tiny pieces of it lol silly girl. I didn't write this week's menu down, I was running it off from memory. So something might be on a different day than what I typed. I'm working on adding more proteins as well. The grinds are chunky and if I coat them and bone with coconut oil, Sophie goes to town! She's addicted to coconut oil lol. I don't give it to often though. I feel like my menu is missing something?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 14:35:30 GMT -5
Hello! I think that Sophie needs to be getting off the grinds and onto the chunks. Get her eating chunks with little bone pieces, and add just a few at first. With her spitting them out, I think the solution to that is mashing up the bone and the meat together so that they are indistinguishable. Take some chicken necks, or some other softer bone in meat, and put it on a plastic cutting board and mash it with a hammer until the bones are a sort of stringy pulp/meat mixture. Then cut that mixture up into chunks (I found that kitchen scissors work better with this than knives do). This makes it impossible for her to eat the meat without eating the bone. You can add some water to this so it is more inviting. The menu is looking really good with variety, and they are getting enough organs there. I think the menu is a bit low on bone. What I think you should do is to add some more bone in meats there, and decrease the grinds. Since they are eating chunks, and meat and whole prey very well, it would be better not to baby them with the mashed foods None of them really need the ground up mush anymore Using coconut oil is a great way to entice them I think that you should give Sophie chunks of mashed up bone in meat, that are just out of her comfort level. And if you add some water and coconut oil she should eat them until she is comfortable again. After that try mashing the bones less, until she can chew them without having you do half the work for her with a hammer Does that sound doable? I am sorry i've been out of touch this week, I got an infected tooth implant, and have been dealing with all week D: it really sucks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 11:59:43 GMT -5
Hello! I think that Sophie needs to be getting off the grinds and onto the chunks. Get her eating chunks with little bone pieces, and add just a few at first. With her spitting them out, I think the solution to that is mashing up the bone and the meat together so that they are indistinguishable. Take some chicken necks, or some other softer bone in meat, and put it on a plastic cutting board and mash it with a hammer until the bones are a sort of stringy pulp/meat mixture. Then cut that mixture up into chunks (I found that kitchen scissors work better with this than knives do). This makes it impossible for her to eat the meat without eating the bone. You can add some water to this so it is more inviting. The menu is looking really good with variety, and they are getting enough organs there. I think the menu is a bit low on bone. What I think you should do is to add some more bone in meats there, and decrease the grinds. Since they are eating chunks, and meat and whole prey very well, it would be better not to baby them with the mashed foods None of them really need the ground up mush anymore Using coconut oil is a great way to entice them I think that you should give Sophie chunks of mashed up bone in meat, that are just out of her comfort level. And if you add some water and coconut oil she should eat them until she is comfortable again. After that try mashing the bones less, until she can chew them without having you do half the work for her with a hammer Does that sound doable? I am sorry i've been out of touch this week, I got an infected tooth implant, and have been dealing with all week D: it really sucks Oh no! I hope you're feeling better!! ❤ Sophie has officially been on chunks this past weekish or so. Still working on the bone. I do try to smash them up but they fly all over my kitchen haha! Even when I put in a plastic bag and then a towel over the bag. The bag always busts open. I'll definitely add in more bone. Are leg bones ok for the kits? I felt like they'd be too much since they are a weight bearing bone. Like chicken and turkey legs? Or is hen better?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 0:03:46 GMT -5
I think if they are quite well smashed then it would be OK. But if they have to chew it whole, then leg bones are a bit of risk, because they can be hard enough to crack a ferret tooth. The ends of the leg bones should be fine.
I read on face book that (was it Sophie?) Wasn't eating very much this week and shedding. It is a bit later in the season but it sounds pretty normal for season changes.
Did she eat the mashed up bones without spitting them?
They are almost done the switch in my opinion. It is just giving them bigger and bigger chunks now, with bones.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 9:42:29 GMT -5
Now that Sophie is recovering from her blockage, is she off the soups again? Or still eating the softer kind of food?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:52:00 GMT -5
I think if they are quite well smashed then it would be OK. But if they have to chew it whole, then leg bones are a bit of risk, because they can be hard enough to crack a ferret tooth. The ends of the leg bones should be fine. I read on face book that (was it Sophie?) Wasn't eating very much this week and shedding. It is a bit later in the season but it sounds pretty normal for season changes. Did she eat the mashed up bones without spitting them? They are almost done the switch in my opinion. It is just giving them bigger and bigger chunks now, with bones. Hi @sveta! I keep forgetting to update here. Sophie has back tracked since being sick. I was hand feeding soup, now she doesn't want slivers or chunks so we're working out way back up again :/ Going to keep trying at every meal.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 17:06:28 GMT -5
Yes that's understandable.. Even with slivers and chunks, try to add small or mashed bones into the meal. Otherwise, keep me updated on how she progresses again. It should go a bit faster this time around
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 12:15:48 GMT -5
How has Sophie been returning to being a carnivore? Are you adding bones in the meal? And what size chunks does she accept now?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 1:36:02 GMT -5
How has Sophie been returning to being a carnivore? Are you adding bones in the meal? And what size chunks does she accept now? Bones are still a no go unfortunately. She'll take pieces bigger than slivers now . And I can't figure out which is doing it, but I find gizzard vomit so I stopped in case someone was choking
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