Post by dorena261-Natalia on Dec 29, 2014 3:44:07 GMT -5
try to chop up featherless one in pieces 1-2 inches big. offer them part with ribbs, necks or other light bone to see if they'd eat. when they start to eat the bone you can offer them one cutted in 4 or half or just bigger pieces. i ordered for mine few with feathers, i pull out the guts (they don't eat it anyway) and drop few drops of salmon oil inside. it worked. also, when they are frozen for a while it's easier to remove the feathers, but you'll move the skin also.
you can serve them feathered quail as soon as they start to eat pieces of meat and the bone. since they are young, maybe they would eat it right away?
Post by ferretbrah on Dec 30, 2014 13:01:39 GMT -5
So I blended up the small quail and made some more blended and kept a few really chunky.
They took to the chunkyness well, only wanting to go away a few times from it. I also tried slipping in some pork bits to get them used to it more but they only ate about half of that before eating the quail around it and spitting the pork out haha.
I tried just hand feeding them in the begining and then taking off the hand and sitting there, and it worked besides the few times they wanted to run off.
They needed to be scruffed a bit when feeding duck mixed with duck hearts on the last 1/4 heart for each of them.
Post by dorena261-Natalia on Dec 30, 2014 17:34:53 GMT -5
i'm glad they like the quail, especially the chunks! see, they are improving. just keep offering pork, mask it in something they like. at first small amounts which you will increase. they need to get used to that taste. although, my accepted it very well.
in the beginning i used to take my crew (one by one) in my lap and give them first few bites from my hand. they would continue to eat alone from the bowl. first few bites were always problematic.
Post by dorena261-Natalia on Jan 1, 2015 17:27:12 GMT -5
first of all, Happy New Year to you and all your family, hairy and less hairy
i assume all those meals are complete commercial Raw? (except the quail you blended up). i'd like to know in those meals how much organs and bones you have, and what's listed for organs so we know do they get enough of everything they should. in their weekly meals they should eat 10% of liver and organs (5% liver and 5% other organ like kidney, spleen..sometimes they count gizzards and hearts in organs)
"The average prey animal has about 10% to 15% bone, about 10% organs, and the rest muscle and fat and connective tissue. That is Mother Nature's model and therefore our model ratio for all of our Whole Ground products."
It does not say the % of organ , bone and meat specifically per each meat, but they are whole grind.
Various grinds from their site: (They seem to be out of the fine grind versions at the moment, but they seem to be the same as the course versions on the ones they still had in stock)
Llama: This coarse ground product contains the meat, bones and all the valuable goodies for your pets: lungs, liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas and heart.
Last Edit: Jan 1, 2015 20:34:33 GMT -5 by ferretbrah
Post by dorena261-Natalia on Jan 2, 2015 10:08:34 GMT -5
this looks good, although we're not sure how much of liver and other organ is included in it. but liver, kidneys and lungs in some minces are great. lungs are full of iron and vit B and are good addition to their menu.
They had quail chunks a few times and took to it well. I had to hide it into the more blended quail 'thick gravy' grind to get them to eat it or else they would avoid it entirely.
Using what you said with starting the meal by hand feeding and then taking away your hand and sitting next to them is working for the most part. They still need "re-assurance" about 4 times while they eat so they don't run away or to direct them back to the plate.
Poops are still much better with only a few half-diarhea poops.
Tonight, I am hopefully going to blend up a mouse or two after taking out the stomach and intestines and try to sneak it in to quail or turkey, since those are their favorites right now. I have also been slowly putting in some pork pieces but they are still not wanting it and spitting pieces that have pork in them out, but I will keep trying with that.
I didn't give them pure liver again yet besides a quail liver that didn't get blended up, and they slurped it up really quick. They acted similar with chicken liver but I will probably try duck liver again first due to their likely chicken allergy.
Last Edit: Jan 5, 2015 10:48:00 GMT -5 by ferretbrah
Post by dorena261-Natalia on Jan 7, 2015 7:16:50 GMT -5
i'm so happy they love the quail chunks, although you have to hide it in more blended meat! you can slowly increase the amount of chunks in that mince till they start to eat only chunks (20/80 - 40/60 - 60/40 - 80/20..). they are eating great amounts of food daily, especially Brooklyn, but don't be surprised when they start to eat less, as soon as they begin to eat bigger pieces. eating the mince does not require hard work but eating the bones does.
i'm feeding mine twice a day (morning and evening) and they are hungry enough to eat almost everything when they get their meals. you'll probably have a lot of leftovers in the beginning, i just left them in the cage in case they are hungry between the meals.
let me know how it goes with the mouse.
it was great idea to give them extra heart with those minces, you cannot be wrong with it. heart has taurine and is water soluable, so their bodies will eliminate excess, but deficiency of taurine can lead to medical problems.