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Post by bitbyter on Apr 27, 2014 8:15:54 GMT -5
So just to make sure I'm reading it right...no soup in the last few meals?
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Post by msav on Apr 28, 2014 8:42:22 GMT -5
No sorry it is 50/50 soup and chicken meat/livers
They are still not eating the slivers even just dipped in soup they just lick the soup off the slivers and leave the meat. Hammie will eat a few slivers but gets tired of eating them and stops eating. I have not tried skipping a meal yet.
There has been some changes. I have decided to put my 3 younger meat eaters in the same cage as Hammie and Cassia. Now hanging meat will be available for Hammie and Cassia. I am hoping that they learn from the other 3. I also will have to look out for stress levels for Hammie and Cassia as the youngsters are full of energy and can get rough with them. So far just a few spats and it always ends with them all curled up together sleeping.
I have yesterdays amounts at home I forgot to type them up last night. I will do it when I get home today.
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 28, 2014 9:11:45 GMT -5
Ok, I think we are definitely at the skip a meal stage to try and get them over the hurdle. Maybe do a variety of sizes as well. They could be put of by the size for some reason.
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Post by msav on Apr 28, 2014 18:06:30 GMT -5
this weekend I will have them skip breakfast and see if they eat the meat without soup.
Sunday am 50/50 soup/chicken meat.
Hammie 2.7 oz
Koufos 4.9 oz
Cassia 1.5 oz
Sunday pm
Hammie 3.2 oz
Koufos 3.8 oz
Cassia 1.7 oz
Monday am 50/50 soup/chicken meat
Hammie 3.7 oz
Koufos 4.3
Cassia 1.9
Monday Pm
Hammie 3.4
Koufos 4.22
Cassia 1.6
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Post by msav on Apr 29, 2014 20:23:17 GMT -5
50/50 soup/ chicken meat and beef and pork heart
Tuesday am
Hammie 3 oz
Koufos 4.5 oz
Cassia 1.5 oz
Tuesday PM
Hammie 2.6 oz
Koufos 2.7 oz
Cassia 1.25 oz
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 29, 2014 22:45:26 GMT -5
How did everyone take to the beef and pork heart? Those are new meats correct?
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Post by msav on Apr 30, 2014 7:47:32 GMT -5
yea, beef and pork heart is new to them in sliver form. It has been in the soup before though. They ate it just fine. It seems they will eat any meat as long as it is not too chewy and as long as it is covered in soup.
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 30, 2014 9:12:10 GMT -5
Awesome...really need to get them past the needing soup though. Once they are past that then we can start working on increasing the size and adding in bone in meats.
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Post by msav on Apr 30, 2014 20:23:59 GMT -5
50/50 soup/chicken meat and chicken heart
wednesday am
Hammie 3.1 oz
Koufos 3.2 oz
Cassia 1.2 oz
Wednesday pm
Hammie 2.8 oz
Koufos 4.5 oz
Cassia 2.5 oz
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Post by msav on May 1, 2014 20:42:54 GMT -5
50/50 soup/chicken meat
Thursday AM
Hammie 1.0 oz
Koufos 2.1 oz
Cassia 2.19 oz
Thursday PM
Hammie 4.2 oz
Koufos 5.1 oz
Cassia 1.65 oz
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Post by msav on May 2, 2014 17:22:23 GMT -5
50/50 soup/ chicken meat
Friday AM
Hammie 3.5 oz
Koufos 4.6 oz
Cassia 2.2 oz
Friday PM
Hammie 3.6 oz
Koufos 4.0 oz
Cassia 2.1 oz
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Post by bitbyter on May 2, 2014 17:30:52 GMT -5
Can you try bumping it up to 25/75 soup/meat? Possibly give me some more details as to how you are trying to get them past this stage? Things seem to have stalled and I can't really provide assistance unless you asked questions or give me something more to go on other than how much they are eating every day.
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Post by msav on May 2, 2014 18:10:27 GMT -5
Tomorrow am we will be skipping the AM feeding. We will be offering just chicken breast meat in the PM meal. If they refuse the meat should I try dipping the meat in soup? I can also up the meat to soup ratio with more meat if the above gets rejected.
I have more time on the weekends to experiment with changes.
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Post by bitbyter on May 2, 2014 18:21:01 GMT -5
I'd suggest offering something with a bit more fat (chicken thigh, rather than breast). Sliver it up in the size you have been and leave it with them in the cage for a few hours. Maybe put a bit of oil on it if they don't seem interested in the first hour.
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Post by msav on May 3, 2014 18:32:51 GMT -5
Ok a little progress.
I cut up some game hen leg into slivers and coated them in olive oil.
Hammie - was not interested at all. did not even lick it.
Cassia - started licking the oil and eventually ate about 4 slivers.
Koufos - Started licking the oil and eventually ate about 3 slivers.
They did not eat nearly the amount they need so I will leave it in the cage for a while and see what happens.
I will update this post with pictures shortly.
How long do I let them starve until I give them soup?
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