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Post by crazylady on Apr 14, 2011 13:40:28 GMT -5
Hi I am not saying tumours resulting from chips are not possible but I think we have to ask ourselves this question are tumours possible from injections ? ( I have often seen sites in ferrets necks where lumps have occurred) where injection sites have not been rubbed for the required amount of time resulting in a hard grainy lump is it not possible for tumours to grow or wrap themselves around scar tissue ? every time we inject something under our ferrets skins we lay them open to risks just my two penny's worth take care bye for now crazy lady
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Post by joan on Apr 14, 2011 15:12:59 GMT -5
Bev, there is nothing on any of their shipping paperwork or the health certificates to show that they were microchipped, probably because they were not required to have pet passports for shipping to the US.
Heather, I think my "luck" was a result of finding a knowledgeable and experienced agent who handled all the shipping details for me. He was the only one I found who had previous experience in shipping ferrets to the US and Canada...and he charged me less than half of what some of the others quoted me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 15:44:44 GMT -5
Bev, I would think that it's the regulations of the country to which the ferret is going to that dictates what will be needed. Looking at the current regulations it says that if you're accompanying a ferret from the UK to Norway the ferret will need to have a pet passport and either an ID tattoo or a microchip. If you're shipping a ferret alone as cargo, it will be classed as a "commercial import", and the ferret will need a tattoo or microchip but not a pet passport. Actually, if the ferret is to be sold after arrival it can also travel as a commercial import, if I'm not mistaken.
And from what I can understand, shipping from the UK to the US apparently requires neither ID nor passport.
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Post by goingpostal on Apr 14, 2011 16:01:39 GMT -5
Yes, the chances of a tumor are limited, but it is possible, and those considering microchipping should be aware of all risks involved in any decision made. I agree, but two dogs with tumors, one was 9 years old, that is a tiny tiny number compared to pets saved due to microchips. How many dogs/cats/ferrets have died because of raw food? A whole lot more than 2, but the benefits outweigh the risks IMO and all you can do is manage things the best you can. The "anti chip" brigade just seems very overblown IMO. Not to mention hardly any normal owners are chipping ferrets to begin with, although they are likely shooting them full of vaccines every year, at much more risk.
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Post by joan on Apr 14, 2011 17:24:09 GMT -5
I think many ferret owners are becoming more knowledgeable about the dangers of vaccinating ferrets yearly, especially as the research is providing the evidence that it isn't necessary.
I've never microchipped any of my animals, as I decided to wait until there was sufficient evidence that it didn't result in any harmful aftereffects. With mounting evidence that it can result in various types of cancer, I certainly wouldn't take the risk with any of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 17:24:51 GMT -5
Hi I am not saying tumours resulting from chips are not possible but I think we have to ask ourselves this question are tumours possible from injections ? ( I have often seen sites in ferrets necks where lumps have occurred) where injection sites have not been rubbed for the required amount of time resulting in a hard grainy lump is it not possible for tumours to grow or wrap themselves around scar tissue ? every time we inject something under our ferrets skins we lay them open to risks just my two penny's worth take care bye for now crazy lady Bev, absolutely. This is why I do not support vaccinations. Goingpostal, that website was just one tiny example. Jackie has provided more, if you research beyond that on the internet you will find a plethora of information on this and many more case studies. You might also check yahoo for their natural rearing groups, which are anti-microchip, vaccine, raw-feeding. There is YEARS worth of research and information out there that deserves more than a passing glance before it's shot down. And as for your comment about animals DYING from raw. People who don't do research feeding raw kill pets...raw doesn't kill pets. That's all I will say on the subject.
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Post by crazylady on Apr 14, 2011 18:04:50 GMT -5
Hi Joan you have been very very fortunate not to have had to have microchip numbers on papers ( even those who went as freight to Norway had to have a passport that contained a microchip number so the vets on the other side could see 100% that this was the same animal that had passed two health checks and whose numbers matched the certificates prior to shipping and on arrival my vet had to contact deffra to make sure what was required and which vaccines were needed we also had to find out what size box was needed by law this unfortunately has now changed its larger per animal !) my ferrets receive one distemper vaccine in there life mainly because I work them and there is a great risk of coming in contact with dogs and rats ( lots of hunting dogs pass over farms I work along with the farm dogs themselves ) why one you may ask well I go by the rules my father laid down once you put it in there it stays in there until needed why top it up ? it has not been used ( and having them injected against distemper does not promise a preventative it simply means a chance they will recover and its a slim one at that !)I liken it to a child who gets vaccinated for measles for example we don't take our children back year after year for a top up ! why over load the system with a vaccine it isnt using ? over in England most vets now leave them 3 years before giving a booster for distemper ( due to lots of crashes due to giving it yearly )some even go as far as saying five ! as for killing animals by feeding raw isn't raw the natural diet ? what about all the additives and preservatives in foods ? haven't they been linked to cancers ? raw is not a killer its how it is kept or treated that causes problems ( wouldn't you be ill if bacteria had been allowed to grow on a steak and you ate it ? ) or the meat had been contaminated in some way before it was slaughtered ? ( if for example the cow had grazed on fields containing high levels of lead ) and you also have to remember not all kibbles are safe either because who is to say how long that so called chicken digest or chicken by product has been laying around before being processed ? ok so they boil it up in huge vats with god knows what and this and that additive or preservative but how do you know its stored at the correct temp and is never allowed to absorb moisture allowing mould spores and bacteria to form ? you don't its all one huge gamble ! just my two penny's worth take care bye for now crazy lady
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