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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 20:18:51 GMT -5
 I can not believe what just happened.. at all. Im sure everyone, or at least the majority of you know that Kahlua and SoCo dont get along. Lately I've been letting Kahlua, Mojito and SoCo out at the same time with extreme super vision for short spirts of time before their reg schedual (Mojito and SoCo out while I chilled with Kahlua then swap Kahlua and SoCo so each would get time with me and each would get 'free time' with Mojito). Tonight Kahlua came out dooking, seemingly in a great mood. All were in the ferret room and Mojito trying to sleep while SoCo was trying to wrestle him and Kahlua had picked up her favorite toy and was wrestling it and I grabbed the stick (its one of those fishing pole type toys) and started playing with her. She hasnt played much with this toy in the ferret room since SoCo came home, if she plays its in a sep room. I was so excited. Soo Im playing around with her when Mojito looses his temper. He bit SoCo, not awfully but pretty good.. I guess a warning? and SoCo came and curled up in my lap. Kahlua was still ignoring him and I was still amazed and played with her and the fishing pole toy. Eventually Mojito was walking past where Kahlua and I were playing and she turned around really quickly and crashed her head into his. It was a complete face palm, lol-type moment.. until they both started dooking aggitatedly and headed into the tunnel at break neck speed. I could hear them wrestling in the tunnel, I couldnt tell if it was Mojito or Kahlua crying but someone was crying, while someone else dooked- maybe it was both of them on and off.. im not sure. I put SoCo down and tried to get them out of the tunnel but things just escalated. They were really fighting, bad. I have never, ever seen them fight like this. Playing, yes, but fighting .. not so much. I guess Mojito eventually got tired because he just started ignoring her and tried to drink some water but she kept pushing him away from the water bowl with her head knocking his head or neck. While I didnt break up their fight, I did pull her away from pushing him- if hes thirsty, hes thirsty. After that she went to her hammock. All this time SoCo had been sleeping in my lap, it was like they both forgot he existed minus two seconds between the fight and the water pushing incident that Mojito had come over and sniffed him. After drinking his water Mojito came up and started sniffing SoCo again and curled up with him... this was the moment that SoCo chose to wake up and try to wrestle. They are sane when they wrestle so I dont have to worry about it ever and as they're wrestling Kahlua comes down, Im watching her really closely to see what shes going to do and she completely ignores SoCo and Mojito and comes right up to me and sinks her teeth into my wrist pretty freaking hard and starts shaking vehimitly and scratching. I had to pry her off my wrist but I have quite the lovely purple-ish red teeth marks to remember it by.
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Post by Sherry on Apr 6, 2011 22:45:36 GMT -5
Sounds like she was p*ssed off about something! I hope you gave her a time out for biting you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 11:56:09 GMT -5
I did, I was really suprised more than mad.. the only other times shes ever bitten me was when I first found out what her reaction to squeeky toys was and once when I had SoCo in my arms and she was trying to get to him. This came totally out of nowhere, it was like she came out just to bite me. First I was blown away that she ignored SoCo all night even though he ran right past her a few times (I was also thankful and proud of her) and then I was dissapointed, confused and upset.. I hope this doesnt become a 'thing' I really need to order the Zylkene for her. We've been so overwhelmed with issues with our neighboors + Mojito getting his first Lupron that I havent done that yet, nor have I gotten the sudocreme for SoCo because I was hoping to see it in a pharmacy or something but I havent. I saw this stuff called buttpaste... it has a natural vibe to it, but im not sure if its safe- ive been meaning to post and ask what everyone thought but I keep forgetting.. www.buttpaste.com/BLButtPaste.php thats the site. But TTFR let me use some of the bitter stuff by Marshal farms thats safe to put on his fur, we put it all on his neck, she kept sniffing him and didnt bite him- well not on the neck, she tried to bite him just below but since we were holding them just to see the reaction she had, she didnt have the chance to succeed. I fear the sudocreme would be the same affect. I hope the Zylkene is affective. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 12:26:45 GMT -5
yeah .... squeeky toys are a no go here too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 12:55:28 GMT -5
Melinda and Damia don't care one way or the other about squeaky toys. Bastien, on the other hand, goes nuts - which has actually come in quite handy! they were invaluable in getting him to eat raw - i'd squeak a toy - he'd go to bite whatever was available and I stuffed food in his mouth - even got him chewing on bones that way! squeaky toys are also the only sure fire way to find him when he feels like hiding - no matter where he is, he'll come running if he hears a squeak!  |
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Post by Sherry on Apr 7, 2011 14:50:04 GMT -5
Now THAT'S a novel transitioning tool if I ever heard one ;D
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Post by katt on Apr 7, 2011 17:30:53 GMT -5
nor have I gotten the sudocreme for SoCo because I was hoping to see it in a pharmacy or something but I havent. I saw this stuff called buttpaste... it has a natural vibe to it, but im not sure if its safe- ive been meaning to post and ask what everyone thought but I keep forgetting.. www.buttpaste.com/BLButtPaste.php thats the site. But TTFR let me use some of the bitter stuff by Marshal farms thats safe to put on his fur, we put it all on his neck, she kept sniffing him and didnt bite him- well not on the neck, she tried to bite him just below but since we were holding them just to see the reaction she had, she didnt have the chance to succeed. I fear the sudocreme would be the same affect. I hope the Zylkene is affective. sudocreme can only be found in Canada. The US version is Desitin.  Sounds like she is mad about something. Maybe jealous that SoCo and Mojito were getting along and that you allowed it? Also, what about adrenal - could that be a possibility with the aggressive behavior? If Mojito just got a Lupron shot as well, is it possible that Kahluah is reacting to Mojito's change in smell/hormone/pheromone levels? Glynus - That squeaky toy thing is hilarious! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 18:06:08 GMT -5
I think that Katt is on to something. How old is Kahlua?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 8:11:08 GMT -5
Melinda and Damia don't care one way or the other about squeaky toys. Bastien, on the other hand, goes nuts - which has actually come in quite handy! they were invaluable in getting him to eat raw - i'd squeak a toy - he'd go to bite whatever was available and I stuffed food in his mouth - even got him chewing on bones that way! squeaky toys are also the only sure fire way to find him when he feels like hiding - no matter where he is, he'll come running if he hears a squeak! The squeeky is my sure fire way to find Kahlua as well. Mojito doesnt respond to squeekies and SoCo stops and zones out when he hears them... I thought that maybe I could use the squeekys to aid in the transition like you did with Bastien but i just ended up with chewed up fingers  " Thats my Lula-bear.... (My fav nickname for Kahlua cuz LuLa sounds sweet but bear describes her true nature, lmao) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 8:26:19 GMT -5
nor have I gotten the sudocreme for SoCo because I was hoping to see it in a pharmacy or something but I havent. I saw this stuff called buttpaste... it has a natural vibe to it, but im not sure if its safe- ive been meaning to post and ask what everyone thought but I keep forgetting.. www.buttpaste.com/BLButtPaste.php thats the site. But TTFR let me use some of the bitter stuff by Marshal farms thats safe to put on his fur, we put it all on his neck, she kept sniffing him and didnt bite him- well not on the neck, she tried to bite him just below but since we were holding them just to see the reaction she had, she didnt have the chance to succeed. I fear the sudocreme would be the same affect. I hope the Zylkene is affective. sudocreme can only be found in Canada. The US version is Desitin. Sounds like she is mad about something. Maybe jealous that SoCo and Mojito were getting along and that you allowed it? Also, what about adrenal - could that be a possibility with the aggressive behavior? If Mojito just got a Lupron shot as well, is it possible that Kahluah is reacting to Mojito's change in smell/hormone/pheromone levels? Glynus - That squeaky toy thing is hilarious! ;D I've seriously thought that she is reacting to a change in hormone/pheromones due to the Lupron shot, she has been sniffing him a lot since he got it and has even been sleeping on the bottom level- on the cage floor- and not with him. I know they sometimes sleep seprately when its hot (and it has been kinda warm) so I wasnt positive but you probably are right. Is that something I can expect to last a long time? Its been mentioned to me before that she may have adrenal but I really think its just a bad attitude problem. She just has this thing about certain ferrets.. Its not everyone, sometimes its even some random strange ferret whoes owner we dont know yet but most fuzz she gets on with pretty easily, I thought it was just other female fuzz but I am begining to think that it may be fuzz that are smaller than she is. She wont let up on them, I think Mojito was already aggrivated and when they cracked their noggins together + shes been confused/on edge with him since the lupron = they both went nuts annnd ripped into eachother. Then she probably got mad at me since I break her and SoCo up and I didnt break her and Mojito up. I just felt they were old enough/big enough to work out their own issues and i never felt it was fair for her to be picking on SoCo seeing as he was so much tinyer. He is almost big enough though for me to quit interfering. I thought that about the Sudocreme since I couldnt find the american flag on the opening page I was like "Oh dern.. maybe i can find it somewhere??" Thank you for letting me know about Desitin. Since the marshalls stuff just made her look for another part of his body to bite, Im not sure if im even going to go that route, seems like it'd be a waste unless I want to cover his entire body, lmao. Ive been meaning to get a hold of Zylkene since the RR didnt help but I want to do a little more research on it first. I hope something works |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 8:53:11 GMT -5
I think that Katt is on to something. How old is Kahlua? I was told she was a year and a half when i adopted her in January 09 (I had to like triple check my records because it doesnt seem like it was that long ago!) I can't be 100% certain because I adopted her from a very neglectful situation, her previous owner didnt even have the guts to bring all of Kahlua's records/paper work with her and when she mailed it to me I found out why. The other 4 ferrets the previous owner purchased at the same time as Kahlua had been circled with a red marker and the word deceased was written next to their names, considering Kahlua's condition I wouldnt doubt they all starved to death. She was extremely lethargic, weezed slightly when trying to play and seriously looked adrenal when I got her, her general coat condition was miserable, it was short choppy and brittle. Her tail was bald, you could feel every bone in her body and see her prosterior bones w/o even trying. She was being fed some really cheap food, it was the same exact food I used to feed my rats but it had a ferrets face on it instead of a rats. I was worried about adrenal and insulinoma so I brought her to a friend of mine who is a ferrent and currently attending college to become a ferret vet, he looked her over and asked to watch her a few days and when I got her back (he lives a while away and wanted to run some tests on her, I couldnt stay because my job doesnt like giving us our hard earned vacation time) he said she was fine other than some severe malnutrition and partial blindness. She has had a tough life and has a few attitude problems to show for it, I cant really say i can blame her.. poor thing was only a year and a half when I got her, already suffered the loss of 4 of her cage mates as well as neglect from her human, abandonment and perminent damage from malnutrition. To give the story a happy end, though, it only took 2-3 months for her to grow her fur back on her tail, she was running around with out a whisper of a weeze a few weeks after that and has been an, almost, entirely normal ferret ever since. Most ferrets she meets, she gets along with. Most females shes met, she has fought with and most are tinier than her. Size didnt even register with me as potentially being why she fought them, I always thought- ok she doesnt get along with other girls, thats no problem. But then when she started going at baby SoCo I was like.. uhhmm ok, u usually like boys- whats up? Then a friend of mine was like, well maybe she doesnt like ferrets tinier than her? She suggested that maybe she feels that they're someones kit and shes going to end up having to face a big angry momma. I dont know, really. I really dont think its adrenal, not saying that its an imposibility though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 18:51:34 GMT -5
Well, you could always do like 2 lupron shots and see if her aggressive dies down. If so, she could be adrenal.
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