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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 8:32:50 GMT -5
goood morning (: left a bowl of kibble and a bit of chicken soup and everyone seemed to indulge cause theres only a bit left and both wings are destroyed (novak lol) Would it be ok to send a video of everyones "picture" they dont hold still well and i cant get good ones for the life of me lol i figure you could better see them this way too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 9:32:34 GMT -5
ugh nevermind computer wont load videos, ill have some pics in just a bit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:13:59 GMT -5
so get this, bubby of all ferrets is eating the chicken legs lol ive been leaving out a bowl of kibble chicken soup and a bowl of leg bones, gizzards and bits of chicken, and the meat bowl will be empty but theres always some soup left im gonna keep the soup soupey for a while longer but id like to leave a small bowl of chunkier soup in there as well and see if anyone bites (: ive been at class all day, im sorry i didnt get the pictures up yet but aric is gonna hold em for me and ill have some pics by tonight at the latest
Were still on for the vet visit friday ill post here and on daxs thread on what the outcome is, if i can id like to get everyone in but does the petassure cover the initial 55 dollar fee? if not it will have to be one ferret every week instead of all at once
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Post by katt on Jul 25, 2013 16:43:41 GMT -5
so get this, bubby of all ferrets is eating the chicken legs lol ive been leaving out a bowl of kibble chicken soup and a bowl of leg bones, gizzards and bits of chicken, and the meat bowl will be empty but theres always some soup left im gonna keep the soup soupey for a while longer but id like to leave a small bowl of chunkier soup in there as well and see if anyone bites (: ive been at class all day, im sorry i didnt get the pictures up yet but aric is gonna hold em for me and ill have some pics by tonight at the latest Were still on for the vet visit friday ill post here and on daxs thread on what the outcome is, if i can id like to get everyone in but does the petassure cover the initial 55 dollar fee? if not it will have to be one ferret every week instead of all at once For the pictures, put a treat on the floor and let them lick it up, then take a picture from above them while they lick the treat. A little olive oil should work, or fish oil, ferretone, even a little soup could do it. A picture of them being held isn't going to give me a very good idea of their weights and body shapes. For PetAssure you HAVE to be sure your vet is registered in the Pet Assure program or they won't cover anything. It's NOT insurance, it's a discount card. As long as your vet is in the PetAssure program, then you will get a 25% discount on EVERYTHING IN-OFFICE. This includes exams. In office means nothing you take home with you - so food, medications, and supplies are not covered. Any exam, surgery, blood work, other labs, etc will be covered. So yes, as long as your vet IS registered wih PetAssure, they will cover 1/4, 25% of the exam fee. Here is the part of their site I have told you about where you can search for vets in the PetAssure program. Click on your state and find your city to see vets who are registered. www.petassure.com/default.aspx#ctl00_vetSearch1_pnlVetSearchThat is great that Bubby is eating the chunks. I do Not recommend taking the soup out yet though. The switch can only go as fast as the slowest ferret, and right now that is Dax. You can continue to move the others forward, but Dax NEEDS the soup. He is just recovering from moving too fast the last time. I know it is hard to go so slow sometimes but you really can't skip ahead too fast. We are still working on getting him to the point of eating plain raw soup. And how is Marcellus doing? What is he eating and how much? Until you get either the RadCat or some more heart and liver, you really should not remove the kibble from their diets or they will be deficient in needed nutrients and you will run into health issues Are you still going to order the RadCat tomorrow? It will take at least a few days to get to you I should think. Do you know when it is supposed to reach you? And if Bubby and Novak are going to be eating chunks, they need some liver and heart anyways so you should really pick some up anyways. Liver and heart are both super cheap. Prices up in Alaska are typically higher than most other states and I can buy a pack of hearts and liver for about $2 each. SO here is my summary of what I suggest you do right now: 1) order RadCat - tell me when it is expected to arrive 2) Purchase some hearts and some liver 3) continue offering the kibble and raw soup. If Dax and Marcellus are both eating it with no problems, then increase the amount of raw a little bit and hand feed some if necessary but do Not add chunks yet. We NEED Dax to be eating enough. 4) Find out if your vet is registered in PetAssure
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Post by katt on Jul 27, 2013 5:19:53 GMT -5
Any updates?
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Post by katt on Jul 28, 2013 9:50:55 GMT -5
I need updates...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 16:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by katt on Jul 30, 2013 2:39:41 GMT -5
Dax is a-ok the vet said hes allset and his coat is beautiful, got some grape tail goin woohooo lol he is 2.0 pounds again, very playful intake and output is back on schedule and NORMAL for once haha hes just on soup hes DEFFINALTY allset with chunks still but were working on it (:He may be two pounds, but I would not say he is out of the woods yet. He looks too skinny still, particularly in the first picture. You NEED to be sure he is still eating. I'm not trying to be mean, but I highly doubt he is "all set" with chunks. He JUST recovered from not eating enough when you were giving chunks before. He needs to remain on soup until we build him up to chunks. That soup NEEDS to be balanced. I have posted the recipe for the raw soup multiple times - You REALLY need to get heart. I cannot stress enough how VITAL taurine is.If you can't get heart, then you need to purchase taurine powder to use as a supplement. Without taurine your ferrets will end up with serious vision and neurological problems, if not worse. Taurine is an absolutely necessary requirement for ferrets. You really need to get a scale ASAP. Having a scale is a requirement to even sign up for the mentoring program, it's important to have the soup balanced. Especially since you will not be able to order the RadCat. If you get a big enough scale you can also weigh the ferrets on it and keep track of their weights. You have not posted exact weights for your ferrets, each just says "pounds" with no number. I'm not sure if it just didn't show up, but we really need a weekly weight on them. It is important to track their weights to make sure they are eating enough - as you saw with your experience with Dax. In the meanwhile, Sherry suggested another method of measurement until you get a scale: "Granted it's dry measure, but better than nothing. Pack liver in until it's 1/2 way to the 1/4 cup, add heart until it equals 1/4 cup. Meat would be a full cup." How much kibble vs how much raw is in the soup that Dax is eating? If he is eating that ratio well, then it is time to bump it up by adding more raw to the mix. Let me know what the current ratio is. Novak is getting bigger and bigger everyday, rowdy as all h*ll still eating just meat and mice hes a champ haha intake and output normalWeight wise he looks great. Do you have a weight for him? I am concerned that he has been eating all chunks, but you don't have heart. Will he eat liver chunks plain? Will he eat heart chunks plain? Or just muscle meats? Also, please list exactly what types of meat he is eating (i.e. chicken, pork, beef...). Once I have the above information, I can tell you how to start balancing his diet appropriately. If he is going to be eating primarily chunks while the others continue on with soup it is VERY important that he gets balance. We will work on making a separate menu for him, which will later be what the others are eating as well when they catch up. Marcellus is the same, pounds sometimes eats chunks still eats soup depends on his mood intake and output normal How many pounds? He looks good in the pics. Again, balance is the concern here. How big of chunks is he eating? Is he crunching up bones yet, or just the meat? Will he eat liver chunks plain? Will he eat heart chunks plain? Or just muscle meats? Also, please list exactly what types of meat he is eating (i.e. chicken, pork, beef...). Bubby is pounds, a wicked fool hisses all the time even when hes the only one around lol doing better these days has become real close with dax to eat with and novak to wrestle with, eats chicken skin and naws on the leg but still also eats soup intake and out put normal still kibble lookin How many pounds? He sounds like a little character. That is great that he has fit himself into your business so well. It takes time for the kibble to work its way out of their systems, so that is normal. Is the soup, or chunks the primary part of his diet? What ratio of kibble to raw is the soup? You say he gnaws on the leg, is he actually eating chunks of meat? Are you 110% sure he is eating it? Some ferrets will chew meat but not swallow it. It is important to know if he is actually eating the chunks or not. Is he eating bone? Again, balance is the concern here. How big of chunks is he eating? Is he crunching up bones yet, or just the meat? Will he eat liver chunks plain? Will he eat heart chunks plain? Or just muscle meats? Also, please list exactly what types of meat he is eating (i.e. chicken, pork, beef...). They all got frontline today and im not able to order the madcat its not in our budget right now we got alot going on these days That is fine, as long as you can get organs and heart, and you get a scale, we can make the raw soup balanced. I will address how to balance the diet of those eating chunks once you answer the questions I posted for each so I know where each of them is right now. but i did prepare 6 days worth of meals in the bags is chicken thigh chicken leg pork slices 4 chicken livers with 1 tsp eggshell and a bit o pumpkin for dax and bubby. Again I have to really stress this - you NEED to get heart, and you need to get it ASAP. If you can't get heart, then you must purchase some taurine powder. They need 500mg of taurine a day. You can either purchase the capsules and empty them into their food (4 ferrets would need 2 capsules per day), or buy the free powder and measure/weigh it. www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Taurine-Capsules-100-Count/dp/B0001VKIK0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375169372&sr=8-2&keywords=taurinewww.amazon.com/Foods-Taurine-Pure-Powder-ounce/dp/B000BQSQ68/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1375169372&sr=8-3&keywords=taurineHearts are usually relatively inexpensive. Taurine is also inexpensive. I know I am being repetitive, but taurine is SUPER important for ferrets (and cats). They can't make it on their own, so they must must MUST get it in their diet. Also for your meat, what about the ferrets still eating soup (especially Dax)? What are you currently using to make the raw soup to mix into the kibble soup? You said there are 4 livers, is that total for the 6 days? For all 4 of them? What about Dax? Im working on a menu plan for them i just cant colloborate ir online right yet im working on a meat package with kniffins but im right in the middle of classes for work and work itself just been a bit hectic but we havent forgot. Tuesday is my day off ill be on again most likely that day is that ok? if anything drastic changes ill be on in the am and ill upload a few videos i found them on the comp so if these pictures are not that good then you can deffinatley see them there. I can help you build a meal plan once I know EXACTLY what each ferret is eating. We also still need to work on weaning Dax up to chunks. I do not believe that he is ready to be on an all chunk diet yet after his recent debacle. We need to wean him onto ALL raw soup, and from there chunks. We also need to very much work on the balance and variety for all 4 of them. Again, once you post with the answers to my questions and I have a better idea of where they each are, I will be able to give you better guidance on where to go next and how to balance their diet. Don't work yourself too hard! I did work and school and it sucks. Try not to get too worn out!
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Post by katt on Jul 31, 2013 21:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by katt on Aug 1, 2013 15:23:32 GMT -5
I need updates
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Post by katt on Aug 1, 2013 22:56:38 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 19:28:45 GMT -5
I am SO sorry, I have 12 hours tomorrow but sunday off, im at work now so I have to keep this short ill update you sunday were in a dilemma at the moment but the boys are ok its still puree I put chunks in there for the other boys not dax hes still getting kibble soup that hasn't changed neither has bubbies
I know this is important, its just been nothing but jumping threw hoops the past 2 weeks, I still need a scale I tried Tuesday but something went down that I had to tend to so its gonna have to be sunday I don't have any other choice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 19:54:17 GMT -5
the numbers didn't show up there all two pounds except novak whos two and a half, there soup has pork and chicken in it with liver, and its mixed half kibble half meat then I throw a chicken leg in the cage for novak who I know is eating it because all that's left is a red small bone I assumed the kibble had enough taurine in it to suffice until I catch up, novak eats it too. I literally will sit down with each individual ferret on sunday and handfeed a variety of meats and textures and have a full list for you of everything they will and will not eat, ill have to order taurine powder just for the sake of the butcher not being open when I need it (headwall)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 14:03:33 GMT -5
Hey were picking up food and a scale tomorrow we run out after tommorows breakfast, I was planning to pick up Chicken heart and liver, but im tired of feeding them just chicken and pork, what are some mild tasting meats I can try I know they have duck,lamb,beef(which they despise so far even novak wont touch it), and random bits of other meats but Idk what to buy anymore im on the verge of giving up honestly. But aric wont have it and refuses to give novak kibble and there finally getting somewhere with the meat and don't wanna take it away. And I really don't have enough time in the day to sit there and watch how much everyone eats exactly, I know there all eating because ive seen each individual ferret munching away at various times and they have no problems looking me in the eye then backing up and pooping on my floor. Im ready to separate them all and give them there own separate dish 2x a day or something cause im failing here..its getting upsetting instead of rewarding
Again also nobodies soup has changed there still half kibble half meat they just have the option of chunks in a whole separate bowl from there soup, which im not doing anymore because im obv. doing it wrong and just wasting money. Sorry for the vent just really at my limit with everything.
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Post by katt on Aug 3, 2013 21:43:58 GMT -5
the numbers didn't show up there all two pounds except novak whos two and a half, there soup has pork and chicken in it with liver, and its mixed half kibble half meat then I throw a chicken leg in the cage for novak who I know is eating it because all that's left is a red small bone I assumed the kibble had enough taurine in it to suffice until I catch up, novak eats it too. I literally will sit down with each individual ferret on sunday and handfeed a variety of meats and textures and have a full list for you of everything they will and will not eat, ill have to order taurine powder just for the sake of the butcher not being open when I need it (headwall) I just need to know what you have tried already that they are actually eating - pork, chicken, anything else? Definitely order the taurine, as soon as you are able to. It is good to have on hand anyways. Heart is the best, so keep your eye out for it and get it when you can, but when you can't use taurine. Let me know when you get it.
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