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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 8:19:41 GMT -5
miamiferret.org/riley.htm Hey Guys!Do you know anything about this natural remedy?it says that it can be used if the tumors are benign,i would use it in conjuction with lupron or deslorelin.what do you think?
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 21, 2013 9:12:55 GMT -5
I am sorry but in my experience, those things do not work. You are dealing with aggressive tumors here. You need lupron or deslorelin and melatonin implants. You need to keep them in the dark for at least 12 hours a day. Either the above or surgery to remove the tumors.
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Post by Cynde on Jan 21, 2013 9:46:27 GMT -5
I do not know about tumors. But I used liguid Melitonin on Hercules. His coat is growing in beautiful. Herc blows his coat in the middle of the winter every year. Bald, except for a little sparse hair on his head. You need to give it to them every day 7-8 hours after sunup. I worked, so I gave Herc his first thing when I got home. Now I am giving it to him once or twice a week to advoid hair loss. Herc is almost 8. He may have just needed a hormone boost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 9:59:04 GMT -5
I agree. Most of the items listed in that remedy are supplements that may have some anti-tumor properties. A well-balanced diet also guards against health issues, including tumors. But there is no magic bullet. So far, the Deslorelin and lupron are the most promising of the preventive therapies we have today.
While surgery may be able to completely remove a tumor, the effect tends to be temporary because the hormone signal continue to come from the brain - and the remaining gland will become diseased given enough time. The other problem that many people are not aware of is that fat can behave like endocrine tissue - given enough stimulate, fa tissue can begin to produce hormones as well.
So even if surgery is done, either Deslorelin or lupron should be used to quiesce the hormonal signals.
-jennifer
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 12:41:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't use this remedy alone of course!At this moment dislorelin is used as a conventional treatment.I would use it as supportive care along with dislorelin or lupron.B vitamins are also known to help with adrenal funtion.What do you mean that fat can behave like endocrine system?if i give to my ferret fat-soluble vitamins and oils will help him to develop adrenal tumors?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 20:47:02 GMT -5
Yes, fat can and does act like an endocrine organ. From wikipedia search on adipose: Adipose tissue is the greatest peripheral source of aromatase in both males and females, contributing to the production of estradiol. " Adipose derived hormones include: Adiponectin Resistin Plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 (PAI-1) TNFá IL-6 Leptin Estradiol (E2)"
Estradiol is an estrogen. As such, elevated production of hormones does not stop with removal of both adrenal glands.
(A side note, bilateral adrenalectomy requires hormone replacement therapy to address other imbalances such as electrolyte and cortical issues. Not all ferrets do well on this therapy, which must be given for the remainder of the ferret's life.)
Feeding fat-soluble vitamins and oils will not increase the risk of adrenal disease. However obesity may increase the risk of cancer in general.
HOWEVER, feeding fat soluble vitamins is risky becuse it's easy to "overdo it", with will result in vitamin toxicity.
-jennifer
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 21, 2013 22:55:59 GMT -5
I agree. Most of the items listed in that remedy are supplements that may have some anti-tumor properties. A well-balanced diet also guards against health issues, including tumors. But there is no magic bullet. So far, the Deslorelin and lupron are the most promising of the preventive therapies we have today. While surgery may be able to completely remove a tumor, the effect tends to be temporary because the hormone signal continue to come from the brain - and the remaining gland will become diseased given enough time. The other problem that many people are not aware of is that fat can behave like endocrine tissue - given enough stimulate, fa tissue can begin to produce hormones as well. So even if surgery is done, either Deslorelin or lupron should be used to quiesce the hormonal signals. -jennifer Yes i agree. If you remove tumors surgically, there is a high rate of recurrence. So best to use deslo or lupron to lower chance of new tumors
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Post by Sherry on Jan 22, 2013 10:15:16 GMT -5
HOWEVER, feeding fat soluble vitamins is risky becuse it's easy to "overdo it", with will result in vitamin toxicity. And vitamin toxicity happens all to easily with these little ones. That's why it's so important to feed a fully balanced diet of meat/bone/organ if you are going to feed raw. If you cannot or will not feed a very balanced diet- feed a high quality grain free kibble.
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