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Post by FireAngel on Apr 17, 2016 12:31:19 GMT -5
Nice! Have you gotten any other organ for her to try yet? She needs liver plus one other. Kidney is the most common. With a frankenprey menu she will have 1 meal of just hearts, 1 meal of the liver and other organ 50% each and a 3rd meal of 50% heart, 25% liver, and 25% other organ. We try to break these up throughout the week and make sure they are followed by a bone in meal as these meals tend to make poops loose and dark.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 20:55:06 GMT -5
Okay, so I do need to acquire another organ for Kai to try. Thanks for the reminder FireAngel.
Kai has eaten some minced beef (bottom round) with the 1/8 tsp. eggshell powder and 1/8 tsp. Wysong Ferret Omega-3 Spectrum supplement. I tried to offer her the beef in small chunks, but after about two hours of her playing with her food rather than eating it I decided to mince it in the food processor, and she ate it all up! Again, small steps.
For her next AM meal she again tried out the turkey necks prepared as per the previous time. She did well with these - leaving behind the larger bone pieces again, but ingesting everything else - and surprisingly she stashed nothing this time, and actually left the bone remnants in her dish. Wow!
For her PM meal this evening I fed her .4 oz. (10 g) chicken liver, and 1.3 oz. (34 g) chicken back with bone and skin, chopped rough. She ate her dinner like a champ, and quickly, leaving behind only a larger piece of skin and bone. I think she ate so voraciously because...
We finally made it to the beach! What an exciting adventure. She took to the sand and water and the few visitors that were still around even better than I anticipated. We even made it to the shoreline and got good and wet. I rinsed her in some plain ole' water when we got home, and fed her some dinner. She took right to her dinner tonight too - eating all but the remnants I mentioned in less than a half an hour. What a good girl little miss Kai Fiore is!
One final piece of excellent news to provide to this post: Kai will be getting a baby sister on Sunday! Dona, the director of the Broward Ferret Rescue, called me this afternoon to let me know that she had a 3-4 month old baby girl. Under-nourished, losing her hair, and a bit nippy, but a perfect candidate for a loving home where she will be appreciated and well cared for - plus the perfect candidate for a (almost) forever companion for Kai we hope. Either way, Sunday at 10 AM we will be going to pick up our new baby, and lucky for us the doctor will be on hand to give her all her boosters, and send us happily and healthily on our way. We are so very happy indeed! Hip Hip Hooray!
More to come - Peace Out, and thanks for all the help I have received from everyone reading and/or following this thread. I appreciate all of you.
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 19, 2016 20:57:40 GMT -5
Doing great! Can't wait to see pictures of the newest one!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 18:51:29 GMT -5
This AM Kai was offered one of her absolute favorites - an egg yolk! I also mixed in .6 oz. (17 g) chopped chicken heart. Well that meal was a hit - this morning at least!
Dinner consisted of 2 oz. (57 g) chicken back in about 1 inch chunks, and .5 oz. (15 g) beef liver chopped small. She knows it's there, and had a few licks, but I got home from work rather late tonight, and right now she is just enjoying an energetic evening romp. We'll see how much she eats by the morning. I fed her more weight in chicken back tonight because I wanted to leave in the extra skin and tendon and such. I doubt she'll eat it all, but I do hope she will eat at least half of what I have given her, and doesn't leave all the liver behind. We shall see...!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 20:20:16 GMT -5
The chicken back and beef liver went over as expected: she ate about half of it. I'm happy with this. Couldn't Only the one obligatory stash in her self-proclaimed feeding den.
I was in a bit of a rush this morning, and again offered her the chicken back. About four 3/4 to 1 inch chunks. She ate about 2/3 of this. Not great, but good enough. She did eat whole pieces rather than eating around the bones, and this I believe is good for her!
I've been contemplating feeding her seafood and/or freshwater items. Reading up on HOF, asking some questions, and receiving some answers, I decided to offer her a shrimp (prawn) tonight (head and shell removed) with half a chicken neck. Finally got the chicken necks, and I hope they will be more palatable than the turkey necks. I'm hoping Kai will take on more of the bone material. Again, we shall see.
I keep meaning to mention her poops, and forgetting to do so. (Imagine that!) All in all they are consistent. Sometimes they are a bit seedy, sometimes a bit darker and more tarry. Haven't seen any loose poops. No blood, no huge change in color. If I may speak well of her poops, I think all is good in that realm of our world.
'Till tomorrow. Peace Out!
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 22, 2016 14:23:55 GMT -5
You and Kai are doing great! She ate the beef liver?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 20:36:56 GMT -5
So, yes, she ate the beef liver, and I gave her a bit more of it tonight along with the half turkey neck I already had thawed (served the neck well crushed).
She did not like the shrimp (prawn) at all, but (of course) I will try again! She actually seemed to turn up her nose at this offering - even worse than the chicken liver!
On a side note, I would like to mention that the first time I portioned out Kai's food I did so in freezer foil. I will never do this again. The foil seems to give a strange odor especially to the organ proteins. Freezer bags and containers from now on for sure.
The chicken necks are by far more palatable than the turkey necks for Kai right now. They are softer, and she can chew through them with greater ease, and I like this.
This weekend I intend to get another organ protein, and another protein source (probably goat). I will try to take this adventure Sunday afternoon, or on Monday after I visit the Farmer's Market for fruits and vegs and some plants for our landscape (of which she cannot partake). [My weekend is Sunday-Monday].
Peace Out All.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 17:28:42 GMT -5
Wow! Kai ate all of the chicken neck I gave her for her AM meal. I did cut it by vertebrae, so she ate four or five vertebrae I think it was. Very happy about this.
I also scored at the butcher on my way home from work: beef kidney, goat tripe, goat chunks, chicken gizzards, and some pork rib tips that are actually quite large, and I will cut these into different sized chunks I think. They do have some large pieces of bone, but I think I will remove these. I also got a third of a pound of ground beef chuck because Kai likes that, and I can offer it to her with the liver and/or organs.
So, now I have two different organs (chicken and beef liver, and beef kidney), two bone-in proteins (turkey necks and chicken necks), and 8 muscle meats (chicken heart, chicken gizzards, pork rib tips, pork loin, bottom round beef, ground chuck beef, and goat tripe). I also tried the shrimp, and of course she loves the egg yolks (1-2 per week).
The butcher shop I stopped at today did have whole frozen quail and Cornish game hens, and really all sorts of different cuts of meats. Their organ selection is pretty good: they also had testicles, and several varieties of kidney, but no pancreas or brain. I think I will build up Kai's bone-in offering selection a bit next. Also, they did not have any rabbit, but I believe I can find some.
Tonight I am going to offer Kai some small goat chunks and goat tripe for dinner. I hope she will enjoy the new experience!
Also, tomorrow morning at 10 AM we are taking an adventure to pick up her new sister from the Broward Ferret rescue, and we are all very excited about this! Time to go clean the fuzzie house and playpen, and give the bedding all a nice bath!
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 23, 2016 22:18:53 GMT -5
Wow! Kai ate all of the chicken neck I gave her for her AM meal. I did cut it by vertebrae, so she ate four or five vertebrae I think it was. Very happy about this. Terrific!I also scored at the butcher on my way home from work: beef kidney, goat tripe, goat chunks, chicken gizzards, and some pork rib tips that are actually quite large, and I will cut these into different sized chunks I think. They do have some large pieces of bone, but I think I will remove these. I also got a third of a pound of ground beef chuck because Kai likes that, and I can offer it to her with the liver and/or organs. Pork ribs are usually to big/dense for them to get through so removing them is fine.So, now I have two different organs (chicken and beef liver, and beef kidney), two bone-in proteins (turkey necks and chicken necks), and 8 muscle meats (chicken heart, chicken gizzards, pork rib tips, pork loin, bottom round beef, ground chuck beef, and goat tripe). I also tried the shrimp, and of course she loves the egg yolks (1-2 per week). Hearts are considered a food group of their own. Tripe is actually an organ but most ferrets will not eat it. The butcher shop I stopped at today did have whole frozen quail and Cornish game hens, and really all sorts of different cuts of meats. Their organ selection is pretty good: they also had testicles, and several varieties of kidney, but no pancreas or brain. I think I will build up Kai's bone-in offering selection a bit next. Also, they did not have any rabbit, but I believe I can find some. Quail and CGH are great for starter bones too! Tonight I am going to offer Kai some small goat chunks and goat tripe for dinner. I hope she will enjoy the new experience! I hope so too. Can't wait to see if she likes the tripe.Also, tomorrow morning at 10 AM we are taking an adventure to pick up her new sister from the Broward Ferret rescue, and we are all very excited about this! Time to go clean the fuzzie house and playpen, and give the bedding all a nice bath! Oh boy, hope you guys have fun! Can't wait to see some pictures!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 15:14:41 GMT -5
Oh! So tripe is considered an organ. I wasn't sure; but I'm glad because she ate everything again last night - with the exception of one piece of tripe!
Surprises are always welcome, right?
Speaking of surprises, our adventure to rescue our new fuzzie went well indeed, and she is with us now, but WOW! She's skittish and oh-so-tiny. Scared, but not too scarred if we can help it. Basically hairless, but not quite bald, and a whole 19 oz. when we got her calmed down enough to weigh her. Here goes....
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 24, 2016 20:14:58 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! Does she have adrenal?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 21:50:09 GMT -5
She's only 3-4 months old so I don't think she's adrenal. Plus the vet saw her at the rescue facility yesterday to give her the distemper shot, so I think she's just been neglected and malnourished. Apparently her previous place of habitation only provided her with food every other day (so they said), and they never really interacted with her.
I finger-fed her (her previous non-caretakers didn't even give her a name, but we're calling her Koko for the time being) some egg yolk when we got home, and provided about 1/3 cup Wysong Epigen 90 kibble - she basically devoured the kibble, and ended up eating about half of the egg yolk - Kai finished that off no problem!, but hasn't touched the kibble, and I'm happy about that - I was a bit worried that Kai would want to eat it, but no.
For dinner tonight Kai received the cut-up chicken necks and some rough -chopped beef kidney. She's been doing so well with the chicken neck, and the beef kidney is new for her - her much needed second organ! Finger-fed some of that too. We shall see....
For Koko's dinner I made a soupie of goat chunks, beef liver, and water (I'll make some broth with a chicken and turkey neck tomorrow), finger-fed a bit if this - she's only semi -interested right now - and provided some more kibble. I placed the ramekin of soupie in the middle of the kibble. Maybe next time I'll just mix it together?
So all is well I believe. The ferret-fuzzies are getting to know one another, the kitties are happy as always, and our puppy is curious about her new sister, but not aggressive. In fact, Koko seems more comfortable with Twinkie (our puppy) than Kai is. We are looking forward to seeing how Koko develops given a loving home!, and as is obvious we will be transitioning her to a raw diet starting already.
Here's To You and Yours!
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Post by katt on Apr 25, 2016 2:07:06 GMT -5
Oh! So tripe is considered an organ. I wasn't sure; but I'm glad because she ate everything again last night - with the exception of one piece of tripe! Surprises are always welcome, right? Speaking of surprises, our adventure to rescue our new fuzzie went well indeed, and she is with us now, but WOW! She's skittish and oh-so-tiny. Scared, but not too scarred if we can help it. Basically hairless, but not quite bald, and a whole 19 oz. when we got her calmed down enough to weigh her. Here goes.... She ate tripe?! Like actual green tripe?? I'm impressed! Haha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 9:19:48 GMT -5
Actually it was goat tripe - I mixed it in with some small goat chunks, and she did eat it (except for the one piece). I can get the green tripe, but I thought I'd try and take the safer route first!
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 25, 2016 19:47:49 GMT -5
I did mix the kibble and the soup when I transitioned my little ones. I used only enough kibble though to get them to eat it and each time i fed them it was less and less. I also crushed the kibble to a powder and sprinkled it on top at first, and sprinkled more on top if they had not eaten anything in 5 hours. I did not actually mix the soup with the kibble only sprinkled it on top so they smelled the kibble first. Unless the goat trip was cleaned out and blanched white it was green tripe. Green tripe is what has the nutrition, white tripe is considered a treat not recommended as a regular part of the diet plan.
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