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Post by maja01 on Mar 6, 2016 4:56:10 GMT -5
Great! And superb to hear about beef! We have quite a variety now. How did the turkey neck go? You can crush this one too for A&A. They will still get all nutrients from the bone and learn that dose hard parts in meat are also food
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:41:38 GMT -5
I crushed the neck. Their cage is next to my bed so I got a gruesome soundtrack to my dreams last night with the shredding and crunching sounds hahaha They hadn't gotten too far with it by morning but didn't want me to remove it yet so I figured I'd leave it till PM meal. I offered chicken heart for breakfast since they had meat.
Stools the last couple days are solid and black for both. At kaylas week before lasr, she had 1/2 tsp bone meal in her chunkies so when we got home the ferrets had very loose stool so I made my 7 batches with a full tsp. It would seem this is now too much >.< So 3/4 tsp from now on? Until they eat more bone, that is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:55:43 GMT -5
I can just imagine those dreams, lol.
Good for them working on those necks. Aris and Arya are just awesome.
Each ferret has different bone needs and if you're seeing poops that are too firm then go down a 1/4 tsp until they look better.
Are the poops just black or are they black and tarry looking?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:57:54 GMT -5
Organs and heart can make for darker but looser stools. If they're black and tarry then we might have to consider something else. Let's see what maja01 says since she's our vet student and has more medical knowledge.
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Post by maja01 on Mar 6, 2016 16:48:11 GMT -5
Keep an eye on stools, but is probably only due to what they eate. But since they were vaccinated recently, we wnat to be especialy aware what is going on.
Mine have darker (much darker) when they get heart or liver and even after beef. It is dark (red) meat, which means it has more mioglobine in it (it is pretty much similar molecule than hemoglobine, just it is in muscles to provide oxygen, instead in blood like HB) plus usualy is bloodier than the rest of the meats.
You will have to adjust bone meal to find a proper ratio. If the stools are to hard, put little less bm (3/4 instead of 1 spoon). It might also slightly depend of diferent protein and meat/organ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 23:58:35 GMT -5
Black and tarry. Beef muscle is new and they had a heart meal and the shots. I'm really glad they didn't react badly
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Post by maja01 on Mar 7, 2016 12:27:54 GMT -5
How are the poops today?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 17:04:43 GMT -5
Normal! Lol leave it to parents and ferrets to have poop discussions. Aris & Arya recently got their distemper, flea, n heart medicine. Hopefully I will be able to get their rabies soon. I will have to wait 30 days for the vaccines to be in full effect, right? I want to start taking them outside. They wouldn't be in danger of rabies of they aren't bitten, right? It can't just be picked up like distemper?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 17:39:36 GMT -5
Also, I got serious about leash training today. I've broken out the forbidden ferretvite for the last time (I forgot my salmon oil at kaylas). I showed the harness, lucky licky, put on harness, licky licky, set ferret down for a couple min. Rinse and repeat with the other. Aris flat ferreted then hid, ticked off. Arya jumped around and barrel rolled. I was worried they weren't liking it but they keep coming back to get the harness on (or more likely, for the lickies). I think they made it a game lol
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Post by maja01 on Mar 7, 2016 19:15:54 GMT -5
We usually wait between vaccines at least 2 weeks. They can't get rabies unless being bitten by rabid animal. How many times have they been vaccinated against distemper? Is this their third shot? Learning with positive reinforcement (anything from wearing a harness to tricks) is a way to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 14:17:26 GMT -5
How are Aris and Arya doing with the leash training? Have you ventured outside yet?
My Roamy is funny. He's begs to go outside and once outside then we have to go back to the door and open it. Then he turns around and walks a few steps and wants to see the door open again. Then he walks a bit and has to make sure the door will open before he gets serious about a walk.
He's smart though and knows where the leashes hang from the coat rack. He'll go to the door and look at it and then go to the leashes and look up and then over at me.
I'm glad you're ditching the ferretvite. It's just not a good healthy product. Ferretvite has the known cancer causing agents BHA/BHT in it while salmon oil is full of healthy omega fatty acids. *test question* lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 15:15:52 GMT -5
This is their 2nd distemper. The 1st vet visit since I got them. They're Marshals so they came with their first set. I read a 3rd distemper should be given soon after the 2nd? This bet said it isn't necessary and ppl on the Internet said vaccines last a lot longer and shouldn't be given more than yearly? So much conflicting information! I'll go by whatever you guys recommend.
They are getting used to the harness but I doubt they will like being on a leash and not going where they want to lol
Last night I scored frog legs!!!! I beat em with a mallet and hung a pair from the top of the cage. Arya went absolutely bonkers! She even ate the bones! A huge breakthrough for us. Aris pouted and wouldn't touch it until I cut it up and mixed it with heart in his bowl.
My dudes know when I get their carrier that they're going to visit Roscoe, Sheldon, and Chaos. They got so excited today they were dookin around like madmen. I opened the baby gate and Aris shot out full speed and crashed full force into the cat. Junior (cat) was so surprised he just kinda sat there until Aris tackled him and he ran away lol They're going to be happy about their new cage today, too <3 Not that they spend much time in there.
You guys mentioned before that yall wouldn't mind if I asked questions about the other 3 boys? Are you sure? Because you guys didn't exactly sign up for a business of 5 haha
You already read about Kaylas mishap feeding Sheldon and Chaos. It would seem the little upstart was put in his place. Chaos boguards the food now, eating first before he let's Sheldon. He didn't do that until Sheldon started it, stealing Chaos' food. Sheldon has been mopey the last couple of days but this is a normal part of them working out their pecking order, right? I was going to take Sheldon home with my guys tonight for some TLC and a break from Chaos. Sometimes Roscoe will get in the carrier when he sees me packing up and refuses to get out so he decides when he will have a sleepover. Haha Seriously, 1 big business here @.@ I just love the different personalities <3
Maja, I've been worried about your ferret. Gustov, right? How is he doing?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 15:32:39 GMT -5
Frog legs is a great score. Hooray for another protein source. Aris will come around but he did eat them and that's great. I had a hard time getting mine to eat them at first. Ask as many questions as you like about the whole business. We're happy to help you and your sister. How's her finger doing? It is part of the normal working out who's the boss of the business and pecking order. Plus they have some fun with it even if it doesn't look that way to us. Sheldon is pouting since he learned that Chaos is trying to dominate. I think a sleepover would be a nice idea. As much as we may love our sister's and brother's, it's still nice to get away and have some time with our friends without them around. Ferrets all have such differing personalities. It amazes me. I'd love a quick description of each one including your sister's ferrets so I can get to know them a bit better. As for shots, well that's a hard question. Everyone has differing opinions on them and since we have so many ferrents who live in different parts of the world then we have that to consider also. I'll link a couple of threads for you and you can decide. maja01 will also let you know what she thinks: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/19361/distemperment-vaccineholisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/20340/shotsholisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/16636/16-week-old-nextJunior must be a pretty sweet and patient kitty with all of those wild and crazy fuzzies running around. (giggle)
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Post by maja01 on Mar 9, 2016 14:52:12 GMT -5
Hi. I was all day away, so sorry for the late answer. It is really great to hear about frog legs! They are super source for new protein + as a starter bone. Over here it is pretty much impossible to get them (or if you do, the price is sky high). They are considered as a cousine delicacy here, but they must be imported, since the wild frogs are all protected here. It is really great to read how your and your sisters ferrets get along. It reminds me on those times when we were kids and went for sleep over to friends or cousins ?. As far as i am concerned, i am just fine if you ask also about thise three guys. But will need some input from your part about them (with weights, weekly menue, so that we see where we are). Vaccines ... our normal schedule her is: first vaccine at ca 9 weeks, second a month from this and than a booster a year from that. then you either vaccinate yearly (healthy ferrets only) or check blood for antibody titers to see if there is still protection. Chili (Gusztav is the young lad) is for now stable, we have a check up on friday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 10:49:14 GMT -5
Frog legs are about $2.50/6 pack here. So cheap, I'll stock up as a bone in meal. We've been building our stores of ferret meat. Kayla got a Hare Today order in so we have skinned bunny skulls, a variety of heart, and finally a variety of organs other than liver. We've had a hard time finding organs around here but now that the weather is warm the farmers markets are back open. When we get a bit more we'll make a frankenprey menu for you ladies to review. Thanks for being understanding of our odd business lol Kayla had her own mentor but she will often work 14hr days. I'm pretty much the mom/nanny of the business. It takes a village to raise ferrets and children! Sheldon is doing well with his sleepover. Hes always played with everyone but stashes the food and eats and sleeps separately. I kept the food dish overfull yesterday and today so he wouldn't get stressed about eating but it just turned into a stashing competition for everyone. Now I have to find all the stashes, disinfect, and probably shampoo the carpet lol As I wrote this Sheldon brought his food onto my foot to eat it....Eeeew eeeew eeeew! Sheldon likes to chew friggin everything. He breaks all the toys because he chews through the ties and he will even chew blankets. Is this because his age? He's aprox 3 months old. Kayla completely ferret proofed her basement so they are free roam in a large space over there and that stopped Chaos' chewing. I took pictures but haven't had the chance to upload them yet. I'll post current pics of all 5 and the quick descriptions Ponce asked for.
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