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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 15:08:03 GMT -5
I'm back with the same problem again, with Aramis. He got back to having that green slimy diahreea that he had before, when he got antibiotics (the one with xylitol that I had to change, if some may remember). These stomach issues have been going on for quite a while and no vet has given me any real answer. Even with poop samples, still not much except for the bacteria that they said last time.
He's always been picky, but now it seems he's even more. He used to like moose and elk, and now he refused to eat completely. Same with lamb, he hates it now. He takes chicken, horse, salmon, turkey and some rabbit. Which is still variety. But he's eating less- still eating, and not vomiting, so I don't think it's a blockage. I feel like the vet I used to see never gave me any conclusive answer, not much of a real answer to be honest. I am trying to figure out another place to go - but for now, any ideas on what to suggest to the vet in terms of tests and results if I end up going there?
I am starting to suspect IBD, as all his problems have started after recovering from blockage surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 19:03:21 GMT -5
I am so sorry abs--got poop issues too. It is good you got a variety going there. seems he is rejecting the red meat for maybe the lighter stuff (except horse-i guess that is red meat)- He knows what he can tolerate tummy---wise.
Mine was eating brain and one day they decided no more of this, so that is ok. too bad they cant tell us--- this is so sickening i cant handle it any more.
Hope problem resolves on the lighter stuff.
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Post by Celene on Feb 19, 2015 19:30:43 GMT -5
I'm stressing over my girls' poop too, and I believe @julesalot is also currently having poop issues - maybe we should start a "poop club" or something.
Is it always green, or does it come and go?
Also I think we need to make a more detailed poop chart because none of the ones I see and worry about ever seem to fit any of the pictures!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 21:27:33 GMT -5
Great idea celene
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 21:45:20 GMT -5
Great idea Celene.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 7:43:56 GMT -5
well, for Aramis, it's on and off. Once he had the same symptoms but also vomiting and stomach pain, another time we went to the emergency for extreme stomach pain - he was stiff with pain... And last time it was just the green liquidy stuff and we got the same treatment every time. It seemed to clear the symptoms but not the cause, since it keeps repeating. Now he ate today, turkey and salmon. But I'll see how it evolves. I just don't know what specifically to ask from the doctor if I go there, because everytime I went, they didn't seem to know exactly what the problem was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 8:23:18 GMT -5
Have you made any correlation with a particular food?
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Post by Celene on Feb 20, 2015 9:50:20 GMT -5
Like abbeytheferret6 mentioned, ferrets can have food sensitivities which can cause varying levels of digestive upsets. I believe the most common "offender" is chicken (and CGH which is genetically similar), followed by poultry in general, followed by beef. I know you're worried about his pickiness/variety, but an elimination diet might be helpful. Of course if eating is actually causing him pain, he might simply be refusing all but his favourite meats since nothing else is worth the consequences. Pain associated with eating can also signify an ulcer (usually an effect of IBD or something else). I don't know about antibiotics, but some medications can cause ulcers which then go onto cause their own problems. Truthfully I don't know much about IBD, but there is an entire sub-board dedicated to it and an overview here. As for the bacteria in poop, ferrets tend to have a lot of that, especially when they're eating raw meat which has a lot of bacteria to begin with. However, since it passes through a ferret's system so quickly it doesn't usually have time to "take hold" or cause any issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 12:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 13:04:24 GMT -5
Maybe try eliminating foods? Have you noticed it happening when he eats a certain food? katt has lots of experience with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:11:42 GMT -5
yeah, I did try to test protein before, and it didn't change... he basically picks and chooses what to eat and suddenly changes his preferences. I tried to give him one protein at a time, and it's nothing consistent, either he gets it with everything for a few days, or he gets nothing for another period of time.
it bugs me because everything started after him having the blockage surgery, which was about 8 months ago, and it keeps coming and going. They said gastritis, bacterial, more like throwing guesses, but with the same treatment. but nothing conclusive. nothing on xray because he was too full of gas.
I've started doing the protein trial again, with what he likes to eat. He wouldn't even touch beef or pork, he'd rather starve to death. He used to like lamb - now he hates it. He used to hate turkey - now he loves it. He loved moose/elk - now he won't touch it. it's more of him choosing what he likes and what he doesn't.
I checked that thread about IBD before posting, since he had a lot of the symptoms there, but on and off. He had weird stools before, but...really weird. however, they vary so much when raw fed that sometimes it's hard to tell when it's really off or when I'm paranoid. But some were sooooo stinky! He had lack of appetite everytime the symptoms came back - assumed it was the pain. he had stomach pain, teeth grinding and lethargy, dehydration - that happened the second time we rushed him to the hospital a few months ago. he got iv fluids and antibiotic + stomach coating. went away. first time it was with vomiting as well - and all the other symptoms. now it's just the poo, lack of appetite, first day just ate a few licks of mush, in the past 2 days he ate but only if i allowed him to pick and choose what he wanted. haven't seen teeth grinding now, and he was active normally - he always bites so it's hard to tell when he bites from pain, unless he bites my finger off or something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:21:09 GMT -5
The fact that his poops have been smelly, worries me. You've already done one course of anitibiotics, how long ago was that? I'm tagging katt and bitbyter. It may take Katt a day or two to get back to you(she's in Med school), but Jason usually responds quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:24:26 GMT -5
Could be IBD from what you're describing, they can have flare-ups as humans do. Sherry and bitbyter can help more with that. Perhaps you can get your Vet to prescribe Triple Therapy meds, a lot of IBD ferts take this for a few weeks I'm pretty sure. It's Metronidazole, Amoxicillian and Sucralfate twice a day for about 2+ weeks. When my boy had his GI bleed out, once he took 3 doses of those medicine he was totally back to normal. Have you tried Goat as a protein? I know it's more easy on the tummy like Lamb is, Rabbit is a good meat too. |
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Post by bitbyter on Feb 20, 2015 15:29:09 GMT -5
Has he been checked for ECE? I know it can be tough to get rid of and can come back after everything seems ok.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 16:23:41 GMT -5
They never did a biopsy, but as far as I understand, ECE is caused by a virus and is highly contagious, inst't it so? And my other two didn't catch anything, and they've been together for a long time. And it comes and goes in episodes, this was the 4th time if I think of it (I thought just 3rd in a previous post, but it's actually 4th). I'll try to talk to the vet again - for now I am trying to find another vet, because the one I had was pretty stiff and oftentimes I felt like I wasn't taken seriously.... I might just get the "oh, of course it's bacterial infection because he's eating raw" line. He seems better today, he had a big breakfast - I'll see how he evolves, and if there is any food that triggers it. He had turkey today, and later salmon. I'll test chicken tonight. I can't find goat anywhere, and for rabbit, I can only get it whole mince and dried. Same with duck lately, I can rarely find some. I'll go again to oriental stores this weekend, last time they had none. I wanted to find whole prey since having all the contents in a package, with fur and all may help build up more compact and solid poop, but it's pretty hard to get too, I can only find mice, and they sell for about 2-3 eur/one  and he plays with them like a stuffed toy. |
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