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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 14:02:44 GMT -5
Such good little ones. You three are doing great!
Hmmm...have we seen any pictures lately, pretty please. :wave2:
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Post by raynebc on Apr 25, 2015 18:17:34 GMT -5
They don't like to cooperate for the camera, but I woke them up for a picture and they were like "Wat u dooing, hooman": drive.google.com/file/d/0B1VNFqdtmy_idXVORkhtUVRsQzA/view?usp=sharingThey ate almost all of their dinner. For lunch they got beef heart, chicken liver and pork lung. Reska ate some without any problem. I gave Copper a sample and he ate everything off the spoon except for the heart slivers. Not wanting to be one-upped by my fuzzy subordinate, I scruffed him and kept putting it in his mouth when he yawned until eventually he just went ahead and gulped it. Then I set him down and he went to the plate to eat. Since I have tons of turkey bone in now, I re-wrote the menu to give better protein rotation: This should be the best menu yet. Hopefully this isn't too chicken heavy any more, about the only other improvement I can think of is replacing the chicken heart with pork/lamb heart depending on whatever I can get ahold of, or replacing chicken eggs with duck eggs, but those are too huge for one meal.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 26, 2015 18:31:14 GMT -5
They ate most of their dinner. For lunch they got turkey muscle slivers and egg.
Slight change to their menu:
This moves the bone in meals one day differently to improve rotation so that each protein (muscle/bone meals) isn't offered more often than once every 3 meals.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 27, 2015 2:37:32 GMT -5
They ate most of their lunch even though it had no FDR in it. For dinner they got quail and CGH with warm water (no FDR). Copper was hungry and put a dent in it right away.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 27, 2015 2:58:48 GMT -5
kattIn another thread (http://holisticferret60.proboards.com/post/254182/thread) you indicated lung isn't as good a secreting organ source as some others. Could you confirm if this is the case? Searching on the forum it looks like most mentors typically considered lung a suitable secreting organ. If necessary I could mix lung and kidney together in organ meals, but up to now I thought these two organs were mostly interchangeable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:30:38 GMT -5
Your menu looks great. That's a nice variety. I'll wait for Katt to clarify your lung question.
The picture is so cute. They are really pretty little fuzzies.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 27, 2015 12:08:18 GMT -5
They seemed to eat a bit less than half their dinner, but Sunday dinner gets left in their pen for a shorter duration because their meal schedule gets moved back to normal timing on Monday morning. For breakfast they got ground pork and ground beef (about 2 parts pork to 1 part beef). I put a nugget of FDR in to help because they still don't like beef. Reska ate some and even though Copper resisted, he eventually ate a bite from a spoon when I held him.
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Post by katt on Apr 27, 2015 15:09:16 GMT -5
kattIn another thread (http://holisticferret60.proboards.com/post/254182/thread) you indicated lung isn't as good a secreting organ source as some others. Could you confirm if this is the case? Searching on the forum it looks like most mentors typically considered lung a suitable secreting organ. If necessary I could mix lung and kidney together in organ meals, but up to now I thought these two organs were mostly interchangeable. Lung isn't typically considered an "organ meat" by the definitions that we use for diet (major hormone secreting organs). Lung really is its own category - it is a very unique tissue and one that I personally feel is underfed as it is a rich source of Vitamin B and Iron. Despite it not falling into our limited definition of an "organ," when feeding it it should be treated like organ meat, but it shouldn't be the full "other" half as it is potentially missing in other nutrients that other organs (kidney, brains, etc) provide. That is kind of confusing so if my description didn't make sense please let me know and I will try again. I'm still drinking my coffee.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 27, 2015 16:29:30 GMT -5
So basically, I shouldn't consider lung a standalone replacement for kidney? If I replaced the lung portions that I use with portions of half lung, half kidney, would that resolve any potential concerns? I only switched to lung a while back because the Asian market I shop at had stopped carrying kidney for several weeks in a row, and the other Asian markets near me generally have no organ or meat selection whenever I check.
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Post by katt on Apr 27, 2015 16:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah I would say probably no more than half lung and half kidney. It is definitely a good meat to have in their rotation if you have access to it IMO. I suspect a lot of ferrets are not deficient, but lower on VitB an Iron than they could be just because we tend to feed a lot of lighter meats based on availability. Liver is a great source of Iron though (not sure about VitB off the top of my head) but lung is loaded with iron and VitB.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 27, 2015 16:47:22 GMT -5
Alright, I'll have to thaw the kidney. It will probably still be too frozen to have it ready for their organ breakfast tomorrow, but for this week I can just trade places for their heart/liver meal and they'll get 2xheart+kidney+lung on Thursday instead.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 28, 2015 1:20:59 GMT -5
They ate almost all of their breakfast, which is atypical for meals containing ground beef, but I'll take it. For dinner they got quail and CGH in warm water (no FDR). Once again Copper was interested and drank some broth before chomping down on meat, hopefully he didn't just skip breakfast.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 28, 2015 12:53:15 GMT -5
They ate most of their dinner. For breakfast they got their swapped "organ" meal of chicken liver and beef heart.
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Post by FireAngel on Apr 28, 2015 13:29:01 GMT -5
Alright, I'll have to thaw the kidney. It will probably still be too frozen to have it ready for their organ breakfast tomorrow, but for this week I can just trade places for their heart/liver meal and they'll get 2xheart+kidney+lung on Thursday instead. Just for clarifications sake since I am new to this also, is the 2xheart+kidney+lung supposed to be the meal that makes up the other 0.5 in the 1.5 heart and organ meals, and if so and my understanding is correct then it should really be heart + liver + either kidney or lung, yes? The goal is not to replace any of the liver with the lung just half of the other organs, right? Or did I misunderstand something? Tagging acodlin because I do not want her to think I am asking out of class! Lol never mind I did misunderstand, I'm sorry. I more closely examined the menu and I see it is just broken up differently from what I am used to seeing.
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Post by raynebc on Apr 28, 2015 13:56:29 GMT -5
My understanding is that lung shouldn't be the only non-liver organ they get. I wrote 2xheart+kidney+lung to indicate I'm going to feed a 2:1:1 ratio of heart:kidney:lung to provide a half heart, half organ meal. The way I plan my menu, I also feed a half heart, half liver meal and then a half heart, quarter liver, quarter organ meal. Mixing two organs to provide an organ meal would certainly make that last combo meal more complicated (4xHeart+2xLiver+1xLung+1xKidney) so I'll have to think about whether to keep lung in the menu, or just to use kidney as the only organ in that combo meal.
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