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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 20:13:30 GMT -5
What about Archetype II? I was shocked when I saw all that fruit and veggie content. Anyone know if its actually good? I hope so cause mine really liked it.
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Post by msav on Feb 26, 2014 20:53:35 GMT -5
Archetype II IMO is no better than some of the ultra premium cat foods. I did feed it for a while before epigen came out. The good thing is my ferrets went straight to ferret epigen 90 from archetype II without a fuss. I still think that Ferret epigen is better than any other kibble, it just sucks that they went cheap on the new formula. the good I see is they removed the beet pulp, and I like that they added coconut oil.
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Post by bitbyter on Feb 26, 2014 21:00:38 GMT -5
Yep, not surprised unfortunately. If ingredient prices go up a kibble company only has two choices. Either raise the cost of their product (not likely in a "premium" kibble)ooooor, change to cheaper ingredients.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 21:06:35 GMT -5
Mine would only eat the Epigen if forced. Given a mix, they would pick out the Epigen. I thought they were eating it until I went to clean the blanket under the dishes and found all of it! They'd been shoveling under the rug lol so mommy wouldn't see!
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Post by bitbyter on Feb 26, 2014 21:08:46 GMT -5
From what I could find online "Meat Protein Isolate" is powdered gelatin. It is derived from cooked bones and then dehydrated.
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Post by msav on Feb 26, 2014 21:09:39 GMT -5
so much like children hiding their broccoli, LOL
funny how some are picky and others are open to change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 21:12:03 GMT -5
Lol, I know, I was so happy that they swapped and would be so much better! Shows me!
But, I blended it up into soup with a few other things and they liked that.
Meat Protein Isolate sounds a lot like "filler" to me!
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Post by msav on Feb 26, 2014 21:18:29 GMT -5
Lol, I know, I was so happy that they swapped and would be so much better! Shows me! But, I blended it up into soup with a few other things and they liked that. Meat Protein Isolate sounds a lot like "filler" to me! It is just refined, processed, refined, processed processed Meat. It is how they got the protein up in the formula without upping the price. I am not big on processed food, But isn't that what kibble is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 21:19:02 GMT -5
msav, have you looked at natures variety raw boost chicken or rabbit?
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Post by msav on Feb 26, 2014 21:21:49 GMT -5
msav, have you looked at natures variety raw boost chicken or rabbit? In process of going to frankenprey/whole prey. This is that last switch I am going to do. 3 down and 3 to go.
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Post by msav on Mar 9, 2014 22:44:26 GMT -5
I picked up a case of the new ferret epigen. my ferrets won't eat it.
I filled their bowl and they did not touch it all weekend. so this morning I mixed 75% old epigen and 25% new epigen. They are now eating again. So I have to do this kibble switching song and dance again. argh. At least I still have 5 bags of the old epigen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 10:34:49 GMT -5
My girl has been eating the new formula without any problems. There was a miscommunication on the shipping of the new stuff and as a result she had hardly any of the old formula left to mix in. She also gets the Archetype which I think has really helped her hair coat! Anyways, I wanted to ask if anyone had any suggestions in regards to her having less-than-awesome poops since switching. They were perfect but are now soft and harder to clean up. Is it from the formula change vs the diet switch? She's been eating it for about 10 days now.
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Post by msav on Mar 19, 2014 10:39:48 GMT -5
change of ingredients will change the poops. It won't be long before they get back to normal. If they are just a little soft that is ok. Just looks for signs of IBD that would be the concern.
I always have some dog and cat probiotic on had to mix in their food when they have issues. But she will probably be adjusted before you order some and get it.
Also if you going to feed just epigen and artchetype. throw a bag of each in the freezer and forget about it. then if a shipping issue or out of stock problem occurs you will have a emergency stash. I always swap the frozen bag with a new one once I get my order so I don't have a bag in the freezer for 3 years.
2 of mine have refused the new epigen even when mixed with the old epigen. so I am using this to push them to raw soup more quickly. right now they are only eating artchetype and freeze dried chicken and the raw soup. I have started feeding the soup twice per day, morning and evening. so far they are keeping the weight on. I still have the epigen in the cage, but it is not being eaten.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 13:03:32 GMT -5
First ingredient changed from Organic Chicken to Chicken Meal. Fantastic move. [img src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .png" src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .png" src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .png"] So glad I don't feed kibble! I just wanted to give my two cents about the change in the first six ingredients. Firstly, replacing the organic chicken with the chicken meal as the first ingredient is actually a good move. Here is why: raw meat actually contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight. After processing, the organic chicken would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished process. Chicken meal, on the other hand, is considered a meat concentrate, and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh [organic] chicken. I would much rather have chicken meal as the first ingredient than organic chicken! Meat meal > fresh meat, always. At least in a kibble. Another good move they made was removing beet pulp. However, they made this into a bad move by also removing chicken giblets. In exchange, they added meat protein isolate and natural flavor, which I would also say is a bad move. In conclusion, Wysong actually made some very good decisions by this change, but they also made some very bad decisions, unfortunately. And because I can't find a definition for "meat protein isolate" on DogFoodAdvisor (where all of my knowledge comes from), I can't tell if the good outweighs the bad. I may actually shoot them an email to get their opinion on it. EDIT: Lol, I know, I was so happy that they swapped and would be so much better! Shows me! But, I blended it up into soup with a few other things and they liked that. Meat Protein Isolate sounds a lot like "filler" to me! It is just refined, processed, refined, processed processed Meat. It is how they got the protein up in the formula without upping the price. I am not big on processed food, But isn't that what kibble is. This actually isn't true. According to the Washington Department of Agriculture, meat protein isolate: "is produced by separating meat protein from fresh, clean, unadulterated bones by heat processing followed by low temperature drying to preserve function and nutrition. This product is characterized by a fresh meaty aroma, a 90% minimum protein level, 1% maximum fat and 2% maximum ash." I talked to a dog food savvy friend of mine and she told me that its actually a somewhat decent ingredient. She said it looks to be cooked down bone matrix protein, and that the low ash is actually a good sign. Although, she did say its obviously not something you want to feed a ton of, but its not horrible. To be sure, I did email Mike from DogFoodAdvisor and asked what he thought of the ingredient. I asked what his opinion would be of it, if he should ever stumble upon it in a dog food. I'm waiting on a reply.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 14:40:07 GMT -5
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